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The Exhaust Pipe
To save costs, your typical stock exhaust uses small diameter, crush bent pipe.  Crush bends are easy to make in mass production.  However, crush bends can reduce the flow of a pipe by up to 50%.  Your typical exhaust system made by the local neighborhood muffler shop is also crush bent. The best exhaust systems, like most Japanese pre-made exhaust systems, come with mandrel bends.  Mandrel bending is done by a special machine that uses a non-crushable insert or mandrel that goes into the pipe while bending to prevent it from becoming crushed.  If you are making your own exhaust you can buy pre-made mandrel bends from Magnaflow, Burns Stainless, Kinsler or Bassani.  The huge speed parts mail order emporium Summit Racing stocks both the right kinds of mufflers and mandrel bends.  It is better to uses a smaller diameter mandrel bent pipe than a larger diameter crush bent pipe.  Remember that velocity is just as important as backpressure.

burns mandrel bends
magnaflow u bends
Mandrel bends from Burns stainless (above)are available in exotic metals like 321.  Bends from Magnaflow (below) are available in 409, an excellent choice for street cars.

Pipe Diameter Guidelines
Some basic exhaust pipe diameter guidelines for stock or bolt on modifcations, non-turbo cars are as follows:

1500cc-2000cc motors- 2 inch
2100cc-2500cc motors- 2.25 inch
2600cc-3000cc motors- 2.5 inch

Add ¼ inch to the pipe diameter to optimize for NOS use.  NOS increases exhaust gas volume.  Remember that this may be too big for optimal operation off of the bottle.  For turbo motors 3 inch is the minimum size pipe that you would want to run, even for the smaller motors. For turbo motors larger than 2.5 liters, the biggest tubing (usually 3.5 inch) that you can find is appropriate.  It is almost impossible to have too big of an exhaust on a turbo car.

How is a Good System made?
First you must buy mandrel bends from any of the aforementioned suppliers.  The mandrel bends and tubing are made in mild steel or if you want to get fancy, many companies also make them out of 304 or 409 stainless.  Of these two 304 is more desirable as it is more corrosion resistant and can be polished to a mirror finish, it is also more expensive.  409 stainless is more rust resistant than aluminized mild steel but it cannot polish and turns brownish purple with age.  If you use stainless be sure you have your muffler shop use a proper stainless welding rod.  For those who want the best, want a light system or have a race car, 321 stainless is the tubing of choice.  321 has good high temp strength so you can use thin tubing, about 0.035” thick for light weight.  It must be tig welded and have good tight mitering before welding with back purging so it’s not something most local muffler shops can deal with although a good welder/fabricator will have no problems working with it.

magnaflow hot rod kit
Magnaflow makes an excellent kit called a Hot Rod Kit that includes 409 stainless mandrel bends, stainless hangers, stainless 02 sensor bungs, a flex joint, and rubber isolators.  The Hot Rod kit has everything you need to make a killer exhaust system, just add stainless mufflers and you are good to go!

Next select your muffler and pre-silencer.   It is usually best on a streetcar to get the longest, highest internal volume mufflers that will fit under your car for the quietest exhaust note.  If you stick with perforated core stuff, it will not cause any increase in backpressure and no loss in performance.  A perforated core tip will also help your exhaust be quieter.

magnaflow muffler
We chose a Magnaflow muffler for our project exhaust.  It has a 3" perforated core, 304 stainless construction and a 4" tip.

Next find a local welder, fabricator or muffler shop that is willing to work with these mandrel bends instead of crush bent tubing.  Look under the car and figure out how to lay out the exhaust system using cut sections of the mandrel bends.  Cut sections of the bends and piece them together, tack welding them first until the position is finalized, then once the final configuration is made, seam weld the joints using a MIG or preferably TIG welder using the proper welding rod.  Do not if you can help it, use a gas or unshielded arc electric welder.

Cutting mandrel bends
The mandrel bends are cut to shape the exhaust to the desired configuration.
mig welding exhaust
A mig welder is used to tack the cut segments in place under the car.  The hangers and flanges are tacked together afterwards.  Tack welding is used because if you make a mistake, you can easily grind the tack welds off and re-position stuff.
tig welding the segments after tack welding

After the exhaust is mig tacked together under the car, it is removed and the final welds are made with a tig welder.

 

Our completed, awesome 3" all stainless SE-R exhaust.  No one makes anything like this with a fit this good on the market!  It cost less than a pre-made system as well. MotoIQ build your own exhaust SE-R system
 
Spec-V race exhaust
The custom made, shorty, Burns race muffler, thin wall 321 stainless exhaust system on our time attack car saves about 40 lbs off of a typical street type exhaust.  The Burns muffler is suspended in a floating cradle mount that allows the exhaust to move without stressing the thin tubing.

Attach hangers and flanges; most good muffler shops stock these.  Next you will want to degrease the new exhaust and paint with heat resistant paint, like VHT or Thermo-Tec if the system is aluminized or bare steel.  304 Stainless can be left bare or taken to a local plating shop and polished.  409 Stainless can be left bare and wont polish.

stainless hangers
Magnaflow makes these cool stainless headed hangers.

Making stainless flanges can be a hassle if you want an all stainless system.  We use aircraft stainless quick release V-Band clamps instead of flanges.  These can quickly be removed with a single bolt and are a race car cool product.  Be sure you use high quality V-Bands because there are many inferior weak parts on the market.  Burns Stainless sells high grade V-Band clamps.

Burns stainless V-Band clamps
Burns Stainless V-Band clamps are quick release and are easier to deal with than making some stainless flanges.

If you want to get fancy, you can box your system up and send it out to be ceramic or thermal barrier coated by Swain Technologies, Jet Hot or many other companies.  Most large urban centers have coating shops that can do this.

These extra steps are worth it when it comes to having a sano and long lasting finished product.  Finally relax and enjoy the power, you have built a system as good as if not better that what you can buy pre made!  This sort of system can be built using the resources available in just about any town.

To Cat or not to Cat
What ever you do, do not remove or gut out the catalytic converter on your street machine.  The monolithic, straight through design of modern 3-way catalytic converters is usually quite free flowing on most modern imports, producing at the most, only a pound or two of extra backpressure.  A gutted cat will actually hurt power as the empty box can cause flow stagnation, which effectively shortens the length of the moving gas column in the exhaust pipe.  The empty box can also reduce important flow velocity. This can be felt as a loss in bottom end power.

magnaflow high flow cat
random tech high flow cat
Magnaflow and Random Tech make large diameter high flow cats so there is no excuse for polluting anymore.

Because of these factors, some of the cars that we have worked on over the years have actually gained power with the addition of a cat.  As the number of vehicles on our highways grows every year, we must all do our part to manage pollution.  If every last bit of power must be extracted as in real off-the-street sanctioned racing, then the cat can be removed and replaced with a length of pipe, the same diameter of the rest of the exhaust system, not simply gutted to a power robbing shell.  A full on, full race turbo, Naturally Aspirated or a huge Nitrous system can benefit from removing the cat when racing levels of boost or nitrous are being run.  Boost or Nitrous flow levels that you would typically run on the street on pump gas are not enough to warrant cat removal for performance gain.  In short the only time you should remove a cat is for off highway racing events.

cat bypass pipe
If you remove the cat for racing purposes, then don't gut the cat, it will lose power.  Instead use a pipe the same diameter of the rest of the exhaust.

If you must remove your cat at a race, replace it with a straight pipe of the same diameter as the rest of your system.  Don’t put a gutted cat in for the reason of screwing up exhaust gas velocity by creating a huge turbulence inducing dump chamber in the middle of your exhaust. If you need to change you factory cat for a larger high flowing one, Random Technology and Magnaflow makes replacement cats with 3-inch ore even larger inlets and outlets.

So in short remember, more flow=more go! 


Sources

Magnaflow

Burns Stainless
 

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Comments

BenFenner
# BenFenner
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:36 AM
The pictures of welders/welding with short sleeves shirts and/or no gloves on are disconcerting.
Mike Kojima
# Mike Kojima
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:43 AM
If you have ever tig welded using a fine tungsten and filler you would know that this doesn't spark or even give off that much heat.

A lot of good fabricators that I know, don't wear gloves to get more dexterity when doing this sort of fine welding like you would on thin wall 321 stainless like in this picture.

Its probably not by the book, but I know and work with a lot of good fabricators.
BenFenner
# BenFenner
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:32 AM
The massive sun burns all over my hands and arms after my first day of TIG welding taught me a lesson I will never forget. =[]
Rockwood
# Rockwood
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:07 AM
Yep. It's not the sparks that get you, so much as the UV light that comes off. I've been badly sunburned (and I don't burn easily) after being exposed to maybe 1 total minute of welding over a 30 minute period. Now, I always wear gloves, long sleeves, pants and real boots whenever I'm welding something that's not on a bench.

However, you're less likely to get sunburned when TIG welding on a bench because your gloves will block most of the light coming off of the arc anyway. If you look at the picture, you'll see that there is no blue light on any of his exposed skin.

Still, it only takes a couple of seconds to get a bad sunburn from it.
cheeky14
# cheeky14
Friday, July 31, 2009 11:02 PM
I had a question about a cat back exhaust that i want to have made for my 97 s14 with ka24de. I live here locally in L.A. & plan to have Mario fab it for me, but i was noticing that the stock exhaust system has a component which i am not sure should be removed.

The factory manifold is short & has a cat. attached to it with the primary O2sensor before & an O2sensor after the cat. then there is a heavy gauge metal chamber which bolts on after the cat. which from the outside looks like a cat. with no shield & has a welded tag on it showing that it is made by Calsonic; which i know Nissan uses as a supplier. I've worked on the car & have had to remove the cat. back piping & noticed it is an empty chamber so theirs my question is this
chamber affect the cats function? (being that i plan to run the stock manifold/cat setup) or is it for noise purposes,cooling of exhaust gasses after cat., backpressure, scavenging... i don't know. Does it matter if i remove it or should a leave it on?

Also, i noticed in the article you wrote about exhausts you showed various designs i was wondering what you thought of the Spintech mufflers which are used on alot of American street rods; heres a link
http://www.spintechmufflers.com/spintech/spintechindex.asp
i was thinking of using a couple of these to keep the sound level low & also the canisters are flat which makes for nice packaging under the veh.

Seagondollar
# Seagondollar
Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:18 AM
I'm in the process of inserting an AE101 4AGZE into my 88 MR2. You're probably aware of the space limitations under the MR2 and would like some feedback.

First of all I'm looking for polished stainless for looks and a tone that is not loud or droning on the freeway. My current idea is as large (in volume) a Magnaflow muffler that I can mount under the trunk and possibly a tip with some surrounding wadding.

What would you do?
Mike Kojima
# Mike Kojima
Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:42 PM
That sounds about right, it is tough to package a quiet exhaust in the space an MR2 has.

The Burns Stainless muffer is pretty effective, lightweight and quiet in high frequencys in a compact package. It is expensive and has to be mounted carefuly.
Dejablu311
# Dejablu311
Monday, November 30, 2009 9:48 PM
You guys have talked a good deal about the importance of velocity and how they coincide with smooth, uninterrupted flows. However, I have seen a great deal of factory cars as well as high end after market exhausts include X pipes in their exhaust systems. What are your thoughts on these?
Mike Kojima
# Mike Kojima
Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:39 PM
The X pipe helps scavanging by keeping a higher overall velocity. It also makes the sound good!
P.G
# P.G
Friday, November 05, 2010 5:11 AM
Hmmmm
This is really helpful.
May i ask!!!

I have 08 Nissan Altima 2.5 M\T.
I already install the Stillen header With K&N OEM filter replacement .
But The exhaust is still stock With OEM center catalytic converter.
Yesterday i I bought 2 HKS hi power muffler 2.5 inlet.
Is the best pipe size is 2.5 Or 2.25 inch ???
I will not remove the center catalytic converter.
And am i have to put the middle Silencer for the back pressure ???.
I am planing to work without the middle Silencer.

Any idea???

Thank you and sorry for my bad language.

Mike Kojima
# Mike Kojima
Saturday, November 06, 2010 10:27 PM
2.5" and please read the story again.
P.G
# P.G
Sunday, November 07, 2010 10:24 AM
Thank you.

And i will.
destrux
# destrux
Friday, February 25, 2011 7:28 PM
I noticed many aftermarket systems for RWD cars don't have any flex joints or accordion style flex sections. I'm building an exhaust for my supra and was wondering if they are needed to prevent pipe cracking?
circuitsports
# circuitsports
Thursday, April 21, 2011 2:45 PM
A couple of things I like to add here - a spun cell cat because of it's design is more durable and usually better flowing than a ceramic block one - especially for a time attack style car. Also a diagonal core muffler has a greater internal surface area so you get more effective noise suppression from the same length without back pressure issues.

Also those burns mufflers made by coast fabrication in Huntington are ridiculous - they may be light but there noise suppression resonant frequency and rebuild-ability for anything semi legal are all a myth. The core of mine was gone pretty quickly and a bunch of the rivets failed and I went back to magnaflow a very expensive lesson.

A cool thing to do is if you need an xpipe is to use the magnaflow muffler that is built over an xpipe perforated core - it's designed for a truck so quite large but is very effective for noise suppression as well.

Also I would have recommended against sectional tubing kits as the change the resonance and there was an article a long time ago about the negative impact on small engines claiming up to 1hp lost for every join. Especially in LA area where companies like Fast intentions can make mandrel bent custom piping for relatively cheap.

And although a time attack car can be loud a full on race car that's loud can have quite a detrimental effect on the drivers endurance.
circuitsports
# circuitsports
Thursday, April 21, 2011 2:46 PM
btw on the supra you should look into a custom diff mounted hanger - my s2000 exhaust kept cracking and this has effectively fixed it - T1r's exhaust for the s2000 has this built in.
circuitsports
# circuitsports
Thursday, April 21, 2011 2:53 PM
the t1r single btw and sorry i meant the rear sub frame that craddles the diff like this

http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/3258/imag0250.jpg
←snow∞motion→
# ←snow∞motion→
Monday, March 19, 2012 2:55 PM
Can you link details to your "floating cradle mount"?

That looks EXACTLY like what I've been trying to figure out, and can't find details on it.

Thanks
destrux
# destrux
Monday, March 19, 2012 4:11 PM
It does have one of those stock, but the it still moves around alot. It hasn't cracked yet after a year. I just ordered a new muffler for it and I'm going to add another hanger before the muffler.

I got tired of the ricer looking N1 style muffler that came on the exhaust system I bought, so I got a Jones Full Boar stainless muffler and some sectional mandrel bends to fit it up where the stock muffler was instead of sticking out goofy like the other one was. Going for a more classy look with the car.

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