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Scion FR-S Toyota 2000GT Sports 800 AE86
In addition to the Toyota 2000GT, the Sports 800 (bottom right), and AE86 Trueno, AKA "Hachi-Roku", were previous Toyota FR cars.  


In the end, Toyota and Subaru made good on their goals.  The official numbers say the car won't be a screamer, but then again this car was never about numbers, but more about rewarding driving dynamics.  The newly designed Subaru FA20 makes 200hp @ 7000rpm and 151 lb-ft between 6400 and 6600rpm, and revs to a relatively lofty 7400rpm for today's fuel economy and emissions crunched engines.  Curb weight for the manual transmission models comes in at a relatively light 2758lbs, and that weight is fairly evenly distributed at 53% on the front axle, and 47% on the rear axle.  One of the overriding goals for this vehicle was keeping the center of gravity as low as possible, and the engineering resolve results in the center of gravity being locating an astounding 18.1" from the ground.  For reference, the driver's hip is 15" above the ground.

The goal that made this project the most difficult – low sticker price – was also met, as most average Joes out there can stomach the $24,200 MSRP for the manual transmission model ($25,300 for the automatic, not that any of you cared).  This puts the FR-S squarely in competition with the Mazda MX-5, and don't think that wasn't on purpose.  Options are few, limited to color, transmission, and a few a la carte entertainment upgrades through Scion.  Production is expected at around 15,000-20,000 units per year, all out of a Subaru plant in Japan.

Scion FR-S Black 3/4 view


Great lengths were taken to ensure the vehicle's masses were properly located.  The front control arms were reversed front to rear to allow engineers to lower the engine another couple of inches.  Reversing the control arms also allowed the engine to be better placed behind the axle centerline, pushing the car's polar moment closer to the center.  The use of the Subaru boxer engine allowed a number of other improvements to center of gravity.  Thanks to the short engine and low mounting, the hood could be lower, which also improves forward sightlines for the driver, and reduces the car's frontal area.  The steering rack was located behind the subframe, again for polar moment optimization, before the rest of the suspension's geometry was settled, and a quick 13:1 gear ratio was used.  The chassis itself makes extensive use of high strength tensile steel, especially in the upper sections, to reduce weight and center of gravity.  The pagoda roof allows for thinner sheet steel and fewer braces to achieve the same strength, removing weight from the worst part of the car.  The hood is constructed of aluminum to further reduce weight on the front end of the car.

 

Scion FR-S Front Suspension Control Arm
The front control arms were reversed, front to rear, to allow for lower and more rearward engine placement.  In a more conventional layout, the bushing at the top of the photo would sit pretty close to the catalyst seen at bottom right.

 
Suspension layout is similar to the current Impreza, with struts up front and double wishbones out back.  Changes were subtle, but effective.  Since this car is unlikely to see rally use, the rear subframe's differential opening was enlarged to save weight and accommodate the larger Toyota differential, filled with a Torsen limited slip unit.  Attention was paid to better couple the front and rear suspensions' roll centers, allowing the engineers to use softer springs to control body roll.

 

Scion FR-S Rear Suspension Double Wishbone
Out back, the FR-S uses a setup very similar to the current generation Subaru Impreza

 

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dj06482
# dj06482
Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:31 AM
Looks like it is everything that was promised, the 86 is definitely on my shopping list!
DrunkenMessiah
# DrunkenMessiah
Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:08 AM
"Without success in the youth market, who would be the Toyota faithful in the future to buy their cars?"

I can kindof see the logic here, but I think it has a tragic flaw. If Toyota sells the crap out of these things to young people (and I hope they do), won't it turn said young people on to actual driver's cars? And when those young people get older; won't they STILL want a driver's car, just a bigger nicer one?

It seems to me that the more likely progression is for a 20-something to buy a Scion FR-S, drive the wheels off it for the next decade and then trade it in for a BMW or some other more grown-up and yet still fun-to-drive car. I think the problem that Toyota will have is that the rest of their products are still too lame to bridge the gap. FR-S owners will learn to love good driving dynamics and will seek that quality out in other brands.

Toyota DOES have a few years to deal with the issue though. Perhaps they could make a Lexus that isn't as absurdly bland and numb as they are now. The recently-tested GS 350 F Sport seems like a step in the right direction, but it is still a long, long way off from it's Bavarian rivals. Hell, the way I see it fucking Cadillac is closer to the mark than Lexus is right now. Toyota better get their ass moving and build some proper cars for the soon-to-be-captured youth market to move into as they get older.
Dusty Duster
# Dusty Duster
Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:52 AM
I cannot get excited about a sports car whose anemic torque peak is 1,000 RPM away from redline.

Bolt a turbocharger on or drop a torquier engine in there, though, and I'll seriously consider buying one.
urbanjacup
# urbanjacup
Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:11 AM
nice job Jeff...
pk386
# pk386
Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:06 AM
Good article!

I must be cynical for a second though, any speculations as to what it's Achilles Heel will be? Every car has one.

If I had $25K I would be at my Subaru/Scion Dealer in a heart beat!
Dusty Duster
# Dusty Duster
Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:10 AM
I think the only Achilles' heel will be the lack of grunt. The aftermarket is already working on fixing that. Perhaps Toyobaru will release a turbocharged version similar to the Mazdaspeed MX-5.
8695Beaters
# 8695Beaters
Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:29 AM
I was really hoping this would be a hatchback car like the tC. I've owned nothing but hatches because they are so damn useful! TVs, furniture, engines, tires...everything fits in a hatchback and when you empty it out it's still a fun car (I can fit all 4 slicks, as well as my tools and other gear in the back of my S13 hatch when I go autocrossing. No trailer needed!). Is there going to be an option for a hatch in the future? If there is, I may very well look at one of these as a graduation car.

My big concern is still the ridiculous Toyota reliability. My dad's Matrix just hit 200K and the thing is a wreck. Before my friend junked his Camry the driver's door would no longer open. The Subarus my friends have owned have held together just as well. If these cars fall apart in a few years, then they're going to be the Fieros of the new generation: great promises, but in the end forgotten.
gman
# gman
Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:53 AM
"My big concern is still the ridiculous Toyota reliability. My dad's Matrix just hit 200K and the thing is a wreck."

Huh? Does rediculous = good or bad? 200k miles is pretty good in my book. Most cars don't even make it that far.
Rockwood
# Rockwood
Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:30 AM
@ Dusty: Torque peak only 1000rpm away from redline isn't a bad thing. Nothing happening until 1000rpm away from redline is. The Scion, while not a car that'll shove you into your seat, doesn't have that torqueless wonder feel a Honda does.
spdracerut
# spdracerut
Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:46 AM
Insideline dyno tested one:
http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2012/04/dyno-tested-2013-scion-fr-s.html

It actually has a pretty flat torque curve with 85% of peak available from ~2200rpm to ~7200rpm. It has a weird dip at 4k rpms, but basically peak torque is available from 2500-3500 and 4500-6500 rpms.
bigBcraig
# bigBcraig
Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:57 AM
Pic in the rain: crazy Ackermann or understeer?
Rockwood
# Rockwood
Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:01 PM
Probably crazy ham-fisting behind the wheel from one our honorable media counterparts...
Jeff Naeyaert
# Jeff Naeyaert
Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:21 PM
...that's me trying to drift :/
Fly'n_Z
# Fly'n_Z
Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:47 PM
I can't tell if this thing is going to help or hinder sales of the 2.0T Genesis. Especially with the upgrades its just received the Genesis really outpowers the FR-S but power isn't everything right?
Rockwood
# Rockwood
Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:40 PM
@ Jeff: I wasn't going to say anything and protect your anonymity... ;-p

@ Fly'n_Z: This car appeals to a whole other demographic, IMO, but will steal sales from it. I think Toyota is correct in expecting 15-20k sales pear year, and I'm glad they didn't expect more.

Plus, the insurance rates for this car should be cheaper.
speedball3
# speedball3
Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:50 PM
@DrunkenMessiah - I think you answered your own question in your post... assume a bunch of young buyers jump into an FR-S. It will still be at least 5 or 10 yrs before they are looking to upgrade to a luxury/different car, which gives Toyota/Lexus the extra time to make a car that fits the bill appropriately. Toyota already has rock-solid reliability in its court and would hopefully have a bunch of happy FR-S owners shopping for a new ride. And if Toyota takes fun-to-drive cars seriously and applies it throughout the entire line up (even the new Camry has been a surprisingly good driver) AND maintains/improves reliability, then watch out!

I'm dying to check one of these things out and see how big the trunk is. I'd have to be able to fit my bass rig into it before trying to justify buying one... and I really hope it fits!! I agree that if it were a hatch, ala the old Mazda6, it would make the deal even sweeter, but presumably that would negatively impact the body ridgidity, right?

btw, cool FR-S branded water bottles. =P
RallyBob
# RallyBob
Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:31 PM
I so want that 2000GT....
Lessendz
# Lessendz
Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:01 PM
Beauty of an AE86 is ability in simplicity on the Downhill..
being the fastest Drag vehicle or Street car is Not what helped it to develop icon status.
From the looks of it the FR-S seems to have many design attributes to be a worthy successor?

people complaining about any lack of "power"
prolly have a lack of Touge driving skill/experience??
Realize you don't take a knife to a gun fight...
just as a surgeon doesn't grab a machete when the job requires a Scalpel.
heyitsclint
# heyitsclint
Friday, April 27, 2012 12:42 AM
In one of the pics, I saw height adjustable coil over shocks. Was this a production car, or were there other parts installed. Adjusting ride height of a stock car is something I have not seen before. That would be pretty cool to be able to close the gap between the wheels and fenders. Stock cars just seem to sit a bit high for my taste. I don't want it in the weeds, just an inch or so lower seems to do the trick.
Great write up by the way. I was really interested in the brz, but with only 5000 being produced, there is going to be a premium on them and the dealer I talked to said each dealer was only getting 2 a month and they were selling at sticker, but others would be marking them up heavily. This puts Scion ahead for me. I am a debadger anyway so it will mostly be the front that is scion. I really like what this car represents. I don't really get the part about people crying about the power. If you want a big power car get a mustang or camero. I want fun and precise handling. I think this looks like my next car.
8695Beaters
# 8695Beaters
Friday, April 27, 2012 6:27 AM
@heyitsclint: The under body pics were from a previous MotoIQ article and that car had aftermarket suspension. So no ride height adjustment stock, but obviously coilovers are not far away!

@gman waayy up there: Rdiciculous meaning bad. 200K is pretty good, but that car has seen a lot of repairs, including a new transmission at 150K. My first Integra went through far less maintenance even though it had an extra 70K on the clock and was over 20 years old when I had to get rid of it. That Integra also had fewer screw ups from the factory. In the Matrix, one of the seatbelts was installed backwards when we bought it among other small things that were either missing or done wrong.
Rockwood
# Rockwood
Friday, April 27, 2012 10:09 AM
@ Clint: Yeah, I jacked photos from a previous article to illustrate on the points I was making in the article.

@ 8695: Such sad times we live in when a transmission ONLY lasts 150k... ;-p
Dusty Duster
# Dusty Duster
Friday, April 27, 2012 10:13 AM
@Lessendz:

"Simplicity on the 'downhill'"? "Touge driving"? Stop watching so much Initial D. It's rotting your brain.

There are plenty of people who have lots of driving experience who are criticizing this car for a lack of power. Every review I've ever read (with exception of this one) says "great handling car, but it needs more power."

Like I said, the aftermarket (and hopefully Toyobaru) is striving to fix this with some forced-induction goodness.
Paul
# Paul
Friday, April 27, 2012 2:07 PM
I can't wait to actually see one in person! The lack of power thing doesn't concern me. The same thing has been said about my RX8, and they aren't wrong, but the thing is still hella fun to drive.
Chubby Chaser
# Chubby Chaser
Friday, April 27, 2012 2:29 PM
I would really like to see one of these go up against a Mazda RX-8. Similar power to weight ratio, 6-speed, FR, etc... I loved my RX-8 minus the terrible gas mileage. Similar torque ratings too. The 8 has the advantage of making max torque at 5500 and revving to 9K.
Rockwood
# Rockwood
Friday, April 27, 2012 3:16 PM
Oh, it could use more power, it just doesn't need it, especially if it means changing the price point. I assume this car will take to the aftermarket well. With that compression ratio, a set of cams will likely really wake it up.

The only thing that concerns me is if the Toyota D-4S system can be modified at all...
Jasonrg77
# Jasonrg77
Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:59 AM
I think the weak link will be heat management an oil control. What are the odds the engine is over-built, or has a baffled oil pan? Can the transmission and rear end handle twice the torque? How quickly does the cooling system go into limp mode?
Scott Helmer
# Scott Helmer
Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:37 PM
Jasonrg77: I can't say much for the heat management or oil control (though that being said, I would think Subaru would probably have taken some hints from various complaints on NASIOC about certain oil pan issues on EJ engines, but that has relatively little to do with oil "control", and almost everything to do with making sure the oil is kept IN the engine at higher power levels), but given that the last article on the FR-S/BRZ's suspension and whatnot revealed that the rear end appears to be a Toyota 7" (also known as the diff in the Altezza RS200 and almost every light Toyota pickup), I would say it should handle extra torque, but that'll be up to the first few people with a wild hair up their ass to get their hands on it and see if they can blow it up to figure that one out.

I'm interested to see how the different aftermarket companies are gonna tackle turbocharging this thing, if only because of how tightly packed that engine bay seems to be (or rather, how filled with useless crap it is). As far as I can tell, in order to turbocharge this with any sort of reliability, you would need to pretty much take everything in front of and underneath the engine out, and replace it all with new equipment that mounts almost completely differently. Personally, I'd be up for the challenge of designing a good kit for the car, but I can't even afford the car itself at the moment, much less afford to tear it up and fabricate components for it :/. Good thing I just got a second job I guess, 'cuz I don't really wanna get rid of my GM6 (2.5RS coupe to you) or my AE86 to help afford it. I'd rather have the whole family of three, as it were ;)
Fuergrissa
# Fuergrissa
Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:20 PM
@Scott

They had a ton of FT86/BRZ's at Tsubuka for the Hyper event a few weeks ago and they look amazing in person. The engine bay is actually pretty open, and there is a tidy little space between the motor and the radiator, which happens to be right next to the exhaust mani. Almost looks like that space was left for a purpose....

I love these cars, but there is almost no room for wider wheels/tires, and I'm pretty sure with all the press reaction we will have a factory turbo option for 2014 or 2015, that's what I'm holding out for. I only hope that MSRP doesn't balloon out of control, and that my daughter is still small enough for me to excuse the back seat at that point.
Scott Helmer
# Scott Helmer
Sunday, April 29, 2012 7:45 AM
@Fuergrissa

Yeah, it looked like there was some space underneath the piping/in front of the lower portion of the accessory belt, but I feel like that'd be more like where they'd mount the turbo than the intercooler. To be honest, it seems like it'd be great for a properly designed air-water setup. Wouldn't be a bad idea with a well matched twinscroll for good response and bumper to bumper traffic heat management, or so I would think. That being said, I have no personal experience with twinscroll turbos or air-water intercoolers, so feel free to take this opinion with a grain of salt. Personally, if I were to pick up one of these to develop parts for, I would highly consider a relatively simple EFR and Laminova kit with some small electric fans for the heat exchanger to aid in keeping IAT's down in traffic.

As for there being little room for wider wheels/tires, the supposed turbocharged factory option would be coming from Subaru, wouldn't it? As in the folks that have this funny tendency to make an "STI" trim of their small, sporty compact segment models with wider fenders, among other performance goodies?

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