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Eric Hsu posted on February 21, 2011 23:45

I seem to be constantly around EVOs so I decided to write a series of tech tips for the EVO X and the 4B11T engine. There's no guarantee of when the next tech tip will come since I am busy as hell and MotoIQ is free.99, but I can tell you I have every intention of writing a series of them. I've been driving EVO Xs off and on since they were new in the US and almost non-stop for the last year or so. Since 2007 we (as in Cosworth in Torrance) have learned quite a bit about the EVO X and the 4B11T engine. While we haven't been doing much modifying to the cars themselves, we've been disecting EVO Xs for product development, testing OE and aftermarket components, working with the engine on the engine dyno extensively, designing and refining engine components, evolving our engine build process, and I've been working on the soon to be released (hopefully) Cosworth ECPro stand alone ECU off and on. This series will share some of that knowledge.
The origin of this particular tip comes when Tyler was driving my 2008 EVO X MR that Peter usually drives when he's not driving his 370Z. Sound confusing? We were confused too when we first saw the probelm. Tyler called me from the Chevron on Crenshaw and he said the serpentine belt broke. He also mentioned that there was power steering fluid all over the ground and that the power steering no longer worked probably due to the broken belt. Being that Chevron is only about half a mile away, Jeremy and I decided to hop in the van and bring some big thick nylon straps with us that are usually used to lift Champ Car race engine crates to serve as towing straps. We got to the car, hooked a strap up to the strut tower bar, put a big thick moving blanket over the hood latch so the towing strap wouldn't destroy the latch, and Jeremy got in the EVO. Tyler wussed out and hopped in the EVO IX with Clayton. I drove the van and pussy footed it back to Cosworth at about 15 mph while Jeremy pretty much rode the brakes lightly. We git r dun one way or another.
Unfortunately, the belt happened to break on Tyler's shift when we were borrowing the car to double check the intercooler tube fitment on an MR. (BTW, look out soon for the Cosworth intercooler tube upgrade. They are pimp if you want the best.) So this meant Tyler had to fix it. The serpentine belt from Mitsubishi was like $108. Since Tyler is smart, he quickly called NAPA and got the identical length belt for $30. If you are ultra cheap, you can even get the basic MICkey Mouse (made in China) Pep Boys house brand belt for less than $15. The power steering hose had to be ordered from Mitsubishi, but luckily it was a low pressure return hose that only cost $35 from the dealership. After the hose came, Tyler installed the power steering hose and the new belt. Upon startup, the serpentine belt immediately jumped off several pulleys and the center of the belt was riding on the outer guides of those pulleys. Tyler came and grabbed me from the dyno and we just kind of stared at it for several seconds wondering WTF.
The problem was that the original belt was broken in half...the long way. So there were 3 out of the 6 ribs still left on the belt. And while what remained of the belt still spun all of the accessories, it sure as hell wasn't right. We had assumed the belt tore from general wear or some other external cause because the car is so damn low (Peter slammed it with HKS coilovers, not me). The front and rear edges of a pulley are taller because they are meant to keep the belt in place. Something must have been seriously jacked because the center of the belt was riding on top of the front edge of all of the pulleys. This must have meant that good old Peter must have actually been driving around like this for a while and the belt ripped apart from the stress. Since I keep the car at Peter's place, he gets to drive it whenever he wants. He's taken that liberty to the max recently and has recently even taken it to the track. While he takes good care of the car generally, he must have missed this one or it happened before he had a chance to catch it.
So Tyler and I put the belt back in its correct position, unplugged the injectors, and Tyler cranked the engine while I examined the belt at low engine speed during cranking. As the engine turned at 250 rpm or so, the belt sure as shit slowly made its way off the ribs of the pulleys after the upper idler. We stared at the belt again for a second wondering WTF again. Tyler then decided to remove the upper idler. He discovered it was worn badly. I pulled the lower idler off and also discovered it too was worn badly. It would be a hassle to order some idlers from Mitsubishi and wait for them to deliver the parts, but just then I remember that we had the Hyundai Genesis 2.0L turbo disassembled on a cart in the build shop that we used for some analysis in the past.

The idler on the left was the upper idler and the one on the right was the lower idler. Both are significantly worn. I can only assume that this is due to their plastic construction.
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:49 AM
In the interest of spreading the word about Cosworth's top quality components for the Evo X, feel free to send me a complete complimentary set of upgrades...once I get back to the states from Okinawa...and buy an Evo X... It's interesting to see some of the small problems Mitsu has had with the car. Probably due to cost cutting. This pulley issue, the faulty fuel relay and the weak clutch master cylinder. I wonder what other issues will develop over time? Fortunately, they all are easy/cheap fixes. Thanks for the info!
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:04 AM
As expensive as the EVO X is, it shouldn't be having chintzy problems like this. Plastic idler pulleys are something I'd expect on a Hyundai, not the other way around!
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:16 AM
^^^I agree with Dusty, it's like Nissan with the B15 and B16 Sentras. Totally ruining the image of one of their best cars. Hope Mitsu can make it right on the EVO XI. And as always, lots of fun reading from REAL insiders in the tech world, even on little problems like this.
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:31 AM
This is not as bad as the well known failure of the fuel pump relay @ around 20K miles. That failure can cause a blown engine. Infact, many a blown engine have happened that way.
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:43 AM
I remember Mr. Ruiz having this problem at Pahrump in their StopTech Evo X... The belt would constantly fall off within half lap... As for purchasing OEM Evo parts. South Coast Mitsu or any of their super store chain (victorville, huntington beach, and long beach) will give 30% off OEM parts. Just mention that your a SoCalEvo.net member... -Matt
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 11:40 AM
Short of these pulleys and the fuel pump relay, the EVO X is a pretty damn nice car overall. Mitsubishi made leaps and bounds in the finish quality of the EVO X when compared to the CT9As. The only two things that bug me in a GSR is the lack of a 6th gear and that the stock turbo spools so fast it is irritating when driving on local streets. 5th gear is too short so I feel like I'm driving a cable tranny B16A when I'm on the freeway if I turn the stereo off.
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 11:45 AM
Good job on a relatively quick diagnosis on what could have taken a lot longer. The engineer in me would still be left wondering why the pulleys wore in that way to begin with, or if the belt being half on caused them to wear that way. If that's the case, then what caused the belt to slip half-way off? Maybe the stock pulley hubs only providing support to the inside of the circumference?
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:26 PM
10 years ago people would look at you really funny if you said you had upgraded your evo with stock Hyundai parts.
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:56 PM
10 years ago you wouldnt admit it.
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:11 PM
Thanks for sharing Eric. How about Cosworth making a kickass Stainless Steel pulley with nice SKF bearings....or even ceramic bearings. While the Hyundai's pulley work, it looks a temporarily solution. Those small things make a big difference in the long run (as u stated about the Vegas trip.....lol).
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:27 PM
Nice affordable upgrades Eric! Since you're rolling and/or testing many an MRs, what's the Eric Hsu or Cosworth semi-official stance on the SST limits? That seems to be one of the hardest pieces of information to research, Dual clutch transmission limits. It's not like OEMs are very forthcoming on the limits of their many drivetrain components :(
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:39 PM
The number I've heard thrown around is 300 ft*lbs; but that's through unofficial sources on Evom.net. SSP makes some up-rated clutch packs for it, but I don't know if that's the weak link.
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 6:43 PM
From what I've found, the tranny used is this Getrag 6DCT470 with a max torque rating of 470 Nm = 347 lb-ft. Depending on the dyno, the X puts down around 260wtq stock from a rating of 300tq at the crank. So (260/300)*347 gives you about 300wtq as the limit.

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 12:29 AM
Ben: I think it might be a material selection issue and not that the belt came off and then caused the wear on the plastic idlers. I googled the issue and apparently there was some dude an on evo forum with the same issue. I know that isn't exactly proof, but I can't think of anything else that could cause the belts to come off especially since the alternator, crank, and power steering pulleys have pretty tall belt guides on the front and rear edges of the pulleys. I believe putting the belt back on and cranking the engine at a low speed and watching the belt slip off the pulley immediately after the plastic idler was proof that the idlers was causing the belt to come off the other pulleys. Bruce: I have no idea what the limit of the SST is, but the car has already destroyed one transmission. I know Jon at HB/Cobb Socal has spent a lot of time dicking with it. I would probably give him a call if I decided to tweak the MR. This car had a hard life (read beat to shit) during it's first 20k miles and probably half assed maintenance. Read about it here: SST TRANSMISSION KAPUT I can say with the new trans, the car is brilliant. All the car has on it is a prototype ARK Design turbo back exhaust, Cosworth intercooler, and a drop in Cosworth air filter though. It runs stock boost with the stock turbo.
Wednesday, February 23, 2011 1:04 AM
@ Eric, Ive been workin on these damn TC SST non stop I think we have a pretty good grasp on it now. More testing coming next week. There are limits "280 ftlbs" in 1st and 2nd is a hard limit and the trans wont like to shift over that, so a friend has made gear based boost 1-2, 3-4, and 5-6 :-D AND cam timing too....
Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:55 AM
Have you had a chance to play with any trannies with the upgraded clutches yet?
Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:03 AM
Thanks guys, I heard/read somewhere that AMS was going with that same idea of a progressive gear based boost in order to keep torque down while giving the SST more HP in the higher gears. I think dual clutch transmissions and the latest in manumatics like the IS-F are a great market to understand. I can't shift any faster than these new trannies. PS You guys must have some hard deadlines at work to be up this late or just addicted to CoD: Black Ops!!
Wednesday, February 23, 2011 1:25 PM
The WORKS guys used the SST in their rally evo all last year with upgraded clutches. Gear based boost and cam mapping is awesome for the guys with larger turbos that get compressor surge in 4th and 5th gears.
Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:33 AM
Eric i have used the upgraded clutches they work quite well Im working on the shifting issues out of first on big turbos but all on stock clutches..... We shall see how it goes. SSP and Willall make clutches, baskets, and SST parts too. The 500's and 600 kits are pretty stout they have a 10pack setup now
Thursday, February 24, 2011 5:57 AM
Hmmm, this is getting me to rethink getting the MR. I was pretty convinced to stick with the GSR to avoid the potential SST reliability issues; but I'm not shooting for big hp numbers (over 500). This may be do-able.
Thursday, February 24, 2011 7:18 AM
czubaka, to make the SST tranny reliable for track work in at near stock power levels, it NEEDS the tranny fluid cooler. The SSP 500hp clutch pack kit is about $1200, but the expensive part is the labor to install because the tranny has to be taken apart. I want to say it's $2k or more in just labor. Just saying :) If you have the money though.... it's the fastest way to get around the track.
Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:12 AM
Jon, let me know how it goes when you get to a built 10 pack tranny with a big turbo. Now that would be fun.
Saturday, February 26, 2011 9:52 PM
what is the part number for the $30 NAPA belt? also any pictures for changing belt? need to do that soon.
Friday, March 04, 2011 11:30 PM
Bradze, just get the number of the factory belt and read it off to the Napa guy. The OE belt is in millimeters and it will look something like "6PK1260" which means it is a 6 rib belt with a 1260mm circumference. The Napa belt is in inches, but the guy behind the counter can look up the equivalent in SAE belt sizing which will look something like "K060555" which breaks down to 6 rib 55.5" circumference. I'm not sure what the K is in front is though. The belt change is really straightforward on the EVO X. You should be able to figure it out just by looking at it carefully.
Friday, March 18, 2011 3:56 PM
Eric, I see you found something useful of that Theta 2.0L TCI engine. Crazy thing - as soon as your article with the P/N 25287-2C000 idler pulley information posted, we had a 400% part demand spike on it. Additional stock quantities are being requested to prevent a back-order situation. Let me know if you need any further support.
Saturday, March 19, 2011 1:01 PM
Simon, is the Sonata 2.0L GDI turbo engine going to make it into the Genesis coupe? We have the 2.0L TCI disassembled and ready for analysis, but we've been too busy to get around to complete the analysis. But I think we'll get to it pretty soon. See, I boosted the sales of 25287-2C000 so letting us tear down the engine wasn't a waste after all! The bell housing is different enough from the 4B11T so that we cannot use the same dyno install bellhousing unfortunately.
Monday, March 21, 2011 10:40 AM
Eric, the GDI turbo engine will stay with the Sonata. However, the Genesis Coupe will get similar engine improvements EXCEPT the direct injection fuel system. It is actually a good thing, since sticking with multi-port fuel injection set up is a bit more forgiving for aftermarket tuning. The facelift is slated to get the divided inlet manifold/turbine housing (twin scroll) setup and the onset of boost comes up about 800RPM or so sooner. Swing valve is managed by the electronic wastegate assembly motor like the Sonata Turbo. Other improvements (I'll keep the details loose as it is still under wraps): there is an improved front mount IC, changes to the hood for better thermal management, and extra gears added to the new RWD AT (see how many speeds the AT in the Genesis 5.0 R-spec sedan will get and you get the idea). Incremental changes will make the next version Coupe better than ever.
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 12:04 AM
Multi-port injection makes life MUCH easier. Those updates sound awesome. You should send me some spy shots and pre-release info so I can do a write up. You got my phone # and email address. :)
 
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