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Mark sent me an email last week about a post over at Axis of Oversteer where they had these videos up. It turns out they also had a link to my original post on the Cosworth F1 GBA Turbocharged 1.5L V6 which is actually the main topic of the videos below. BTW, if you've never checked out Axis of Oversteer, check it out after watching these videos if you're a motorsports nut. The videos below were originally broadcast on July 31, 1986 in the UK as part of a science and technology series called "Equinox". "Turbo: Once Around the Block" is a somewhat in depth look of the development, initial build process of the Cosworth GBA engine, and some of the issues Cosworth, Ford, and Motorola had with getting the engine up and running. It is more in depth than any video you'll see from Honda, Renault, or Ferrari. But then again, Ford probably had the most money in the 80's to assist in video production costs for television coverage.

These videos fall right into my recent interest in old school car, racing, racing movies, and motorsports tech videos. I've been hanging around Ken a bit too much I think. There's a certain amount of innocence present in most old videos. Cars and their components were much simpler. The designs were simpler. Everything was more raw. The world and society as a whole was more simple. Today you have to worry about everything because we know so much more about technology and science. The world is a much more complex place where you have to be PC because everybody is so damn sensitive. Companies have to appease tree huggers. Even cars are heavier and softer. Nothing is raw anymore. Anyhow enough complaining. Strap into the DeLorean and get ready to go back 25 years. Well actually for most of us street car guys, it's still more advanced than most of the stuff we do today from the mechanical aspect.

3:32 - Look at that Bosch Motronic ECU! It's the size of a VCR! I think I see two 8 bit EEPROMs on board. It may have been two  8 bit EEPROMs for additional memory capacity run in series or two 8 bit EEPROMs in parrallel for 16 bits of instruction.
4:16 - That's the late Keith Duckworth who was the mastermind behind Cosworth.
11:07 - That's an aluminum derivative of the Cosworth BD engine block being machined. I believe it is a special block specifically for this engine test since it has no water jackets in it.
13:08 - There's no turbo on the engine at this point in time. Instead they are using an industrial compressor to supply boost to the BD engine.
14:08 - This is when data logging really meant data logging. Notice they are doing this at 10,000rpm.
16:02 - At 11,000rpm the engine finally gives up. The dyno operators seem surprised?!? The engine was up there for quite a while. I was wondering when it was going to break. Engine dynos load engines like no chassis dyno can.
18:53 - Notice there are no water jackets open to the fire face of the head. This head uses crossflow cooling and will be significantly stiffer because of the lack of holes.
24:42 - Notice there are no water jackets open to the deck of the block either. This also allows the block to remain stiffer. Stiffness helps to keep the cylinder to head seal intact.
25:02 - Look at how perfect those piston skirts came out of the engine that was sitting at 9.5-11000rpm that whole time on the dyno. This is typical of Cosworth pistons. Try that with your shelf stock American made piston.
49:23 - Fuel and ignition trims via two knobs are way high tech.

8:03 - I don't think they have OSHA in the UK. There's 3 guys within a foot of an engine spinning at 10,000rpm.
20:32 - I love how they over simplify things with a simple quote.
26:36 - That's Ross Brawn (25 years ago) from Brawn GP (now Mercedes GP).
35:42 - Same deal on the Ford/Motorola ECU. There are two 8 bit EEPROMs.
38:51 - The Garrett turbo on this engine look like they are based on T3/T04Bs. No doubt there was some high tech stuff going on inside (see my original post on the GBA).
39:25 - Notice the "FORD EEC 1" lettering on the ECU. I'm not sure why, but I think by the mid 80's Ford was already at EEC IV on their production cars.
43:12 - The Honda VTEC V6 was equipped with twin ball bearing IHI RX-6 turbos even back in 1986. The Honda may have benefited from superior turbo technology at the time. You'll find IHI RX-6 turbos on WRC Subarus and older APEXi turbo systems for Skyline GT-Rs, Silvias, and EVOs too.

As it turned out, the Beatrice/Haas team wasn't very effective and the Cosworth GBA engine had very little success in 1986. In 1987, Ford decided that the Benetton team would have the GBA. With a 4.0 bar (absolute) boost limit on gelled Toluene fuel the GBA was supposedly reliable enough for 600 mile intervals. The Benetton B187 had a couple of podium finishes in 1987, but the FISA (now called the FIA) would limit 1.5L turbo engines to only 2.5 bar boost  and increase the normally aspirated displacement limit to 3.5L for 1988. This rule made it so engine suppliers would have rather supplied more competitive 3.5L V8s. That was the end of the turbos in F1...until 2013 that is.

BTW, if you like old race videos, check out the home page on Vimeo for user "GT4zone". He's got quite a few other cool videos up.

Comments

SkullWorks
# SkullWorks
Monday, January 24, 2011 12:05 PM
Wow mike edit your comment...or don't drink and follow up :-)
JDMized
# JDMized
Monday, January 24, 2011 1:21 PM
Lol @ Mike's comment.
Hey Eric, I need you to check something.
Give me you email please.
dilop
# dilop
Monday, January 24, 2011 2:22 PM
Wow!!!awesome videos! loved to watch the history behind an engine development... I'm also very amazed about how empiric were the things back in those days :-)...

Once again...THANKS for sharing!
8695Beaters
# 8695Beaters
Monday, January 24, 2011 3:53 PM
A blast from the past and one worth burning two hours on. Thanks for the post it was great! Very interesting to see how cutting edge racing technology has come in 25 years.
Mike Kojima
# Mike Kojima
Monday, January 24, 2011 6:47 PM
That's were how things were doing back when I was starting out.

There, are you satisfied?
Fabrik8
# Fabrik8
Monday, January 24, 2011 8:49 PM
That was really, really, really cool. Watching Keith Duckworth sitting at the drawing board explaining why they angled the head bolts...amazing.

There's a lot of people in that video that have been all over the motorsports world in the years since it was filmed. I recognized a lot of names and a lot of faces from TV and magazines, and it's fun to see them all so much younger. Especially Ross Brawn...
Steve
# Steve
Tuesday, January 25, 2011 5:01 AM
Part of my fascination of the Cosworth/Fords from early F/A is comparing their performance yet lack of complexity to today's motors. Second of course is growing up with 2-3 March or Lola chassis out in the garage and spending my weekends at the tracks watching my Dad race them in SCCA FB, then Formula Atlantic. Great stuff!
jere
# jere
Tuesday, January 25, 2011 9:01 AM
I'm only through the first so far but lots of great stuff in there! I really liked seeing the guy hand carve the block from wood awesome!
Fabrik8
# Fabrik8
Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:55 AM
Brazilian mahogany and a set of chisels and gouges is quite a bit different than the current methods like a 5-axis milling machine and epoxy block, eh..?
jamal
# jamal
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:21 AM
oh yeah I saw this on the hellafunctional facebook page the other day. Great video!
jamal
# jamal
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:23 AM
"25:02 - Look at how perfect those piston skirts came out of the engine that was sitting at 9.5-11000rpm that whole time on the dyno. This is typical of Cosworth pistons. Try that with your shelf stock American made piston."

What's wrong with shelf stock american made pistons? Shelf stock american made rods seem to work pretty well for you guys.
Eric Hsu
# Eric Hsu
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:55 AM
alex: eric@motoiq.com

jamal: Some of our rods are made in the US to our design, but they aren't shelf stock rods. In the past we've used some shelf Carrillos, but we wouldn't use anything lesser. Even when we did use Carrillos, the big and small ends were honed to size in house in Torrance.

Rods are far different than pistons anyhow. Were you trying to say that just because an American shelf stock rod is good that an American shelf stock piston should be good? There's far less science, knowledge and experience required to make (or copy) a rod. Even if a company were to copy a Cosworth piston, it really wouldn't mean jack shit. The copy still wouldn't have our alloys, our forge, and I'm not sure their machines would be able to duplicate our machining tolerances anyhow. To top it all off they wouldn't have our skirt coating either.
jamal
# jamal
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 1:54 AM
well, actually, I've always though cosworth pistons were really nice. My point was that you tend to bash on products because of their country of origin and that's not really fair, and I know that some cosworth parts are outsources to other companies. The rods being made by carillo here in socal seemed to be a good example.
Marillionado
# Marillionado
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:09 AM
Hi Eric,

If you go back to your fantastic post on the Cosworth F1 GBA Turbocharged 1.5L V6, you´ll see I had already posted part of this Equinox show back in December.

I remember seing that show back in the eighties and the catastrofic atempts of replicating BMW's 4 cilinder success in F1.

It was a sad thing that the V6 that Keith Duckworth fought so much for with the high rankings within Ford, gave so little result as it raced only a couple of seasons.
I never understood the switch back to the 3.0L V8 in 1988 when they could still use the turbo V6's, that even with the allowed 2,5 bar were much more competitive than any normally aspirated 3.0L.
Most engines with turbos for that final season had an increase in compression ratio in order to compensate for decreased turbo pressure.
Marillionado
# Marillionado
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 5:11 AM
I stand corrected, they were 3,5L from 1988 onwards (but not as efective as 2,5 bar turbos anyway).
Eric Hsu
# Eric Hsu
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:50 AM
jamal: fair enough, you got me there. I am often misunderstood and with good reason since I rarely explain thoroughly. Here are the generalizations I typically use:

- If its made in China in the tens of thousands, it's probably good (e.g. ipods, iphones, etc.)
- If its made in China in hundreds and not in thousands, it's a probably a piece of shit.
- If its made in China in tens and not in hundreds, it's even a bigger piece of shit.
- If its made in Taiwan it has a chance of being shit, but is more likely to be in between mediocre and good.
- If its made in Korea it is usually pretty good.
- If its made in a third world country it is likely to be shit.
- If its made in the USA (by a manufacturer) it can be anywhere from mediocre to excellent.
- If its made in eastern Europe, it has a chance of being shit, but is more likely to be in between mediocre and good.
- If its made in Europe (by a manufacturer) it can be anywhere from mediocre to excellent.

Once again, these are generalizations. I do not bash everything American. In fact, check out this post where I praise American.

My original comment was pointing out that an American shelf piston would very likely come out of the engine looking like ass if an engine sat at 9.5-11krpm for as long as that engine did in the video. It is a fact that American piston manufacturers do not refine their piston like we do. They cannot. They do not build engines and have no control over the parameters which would govern a piston test (e.g. honing of bore, finish of bores, block distortion, torque plate specification, etc.). On the other hand, we do build the engines we design and build pistons for. We have complete control over test parameters and are able to develop and manufacture a piston pretty much damn near perfect that will last significantly longer than anything else on the shelf market. Another thing is we do not source forgings and wristpins from Asia.

Our rods are currently made for us to our design in three factories. It is normal for any manufacturer to outsource manufacturing. Does Ford make wheels? Does Chevy make shocks? Does BMW make springs? One of our rod suppliers as you mentioned is here in socal. The other 2 are in Europe. Put a Carrillo rod next to a Cosworth rod and you'll notice quite a few extra features that allow the Cosworth rod to be 20-50 grams lighter (depending on the application) and physically smaller (for stroker clearance) while being just as strong and in some cases stronger than the shelf Carrillo part (verified via FEA). Cosworth has begun making rods in house again from a hiatus since 1999. When our in house rod program is up and running and has capacity beyond F1, it is likely our own factory will be supplying us with some of our rods for the production engines in the near future.
Eric Hsu
# Eric Hsu
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:01 AM
Marillionado: awesome, thanks for putting up the video. Sharing stuff like that with younger enthusiasts makes a difference. It shows them that you can do stuff without a computer!
Steve
# Steve
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:30 PM
Interesting insight Eric, rings true. IDK if Cosworth products of the 1970's compare favorably to those of today, but I have always been fascinated with them seeing FA/FB motors laid out for assembly, the incredible difference between stock I-4's (street) and the race motors with Cosworth components left a huge impression on me. I'd kill for a Cosworth build VQ35 for my own car, but I'd have to skip sending a kid or so to college to pull that off just now ;)

Thanks again, great article and perspective.
Markingtime
# Markingtime
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:09 PM
Great videos. Thanks
Wrecked
# Wrecked
Friday, January 28, 2011 5:20 PM
You know, my experience with american forged pistons is limited to the lower cost brands and limited to 4G63s, but in my opinion the factory pistons seem to take the abuse much better than the forged pistons. The forged pistons seem to be from a softer alloy. This is really just a subjective opinion but I'm wondering if anyone else shares my opinion.

I think I will try Cosworth or Mahle pistons
Option13
# Option13
Sunday, January 30, 2011 4:57 PM
Taking a file to the brake caliper definitely made me laugh. Desperate times call for desperate measures, but that might make the FEA guy faint today.
JDMized
# JDMized
Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:38 PM
@ Wrecked: Are you referring to 4032 alloy and 2618 alloy?
If so, (don't quote me on that). The 4032 alloy has more silicon content and expand and seal better. It's less noisy than the 2618 but it's a tad more succeptable to break under heavy load (than the 2618).

Whereas the 2618 alloy has a little less silicon, it doesn't expand as much as the 4032, it makes more noise but it's a bit stronger than 4032 alloy (price wise they're about the same). A lot of companies make both. maybe that's what you're referring to?
BTW Mahle pistons are excellent.
Eric Hsu
# Eric Hsu
Tuesday, February 01, 2011 12:19 AM
Most 4032 forged pistons are more brittle and tend to crumble and crack with detonation. On the other hand, there isn't supposed to be any detonation either, but the same thing can happen with 4032 in extreme cylinder pressure situations. The good thing about 4032 is that is expands less so you can run a tighter piston to cylinder wall clearance. 2618 is more malleable and can handle more abuse. It will tend to deform rather than crack and crumble. The bad thing about 2618 is that most of the time there needs to be a significant amount of piston to cylinder wall clearance (due to expansion) which accelerates scuffing, wear, and skirt wear in a street engine (or in race engine that is not warmed up properly before being raced). All of these factors depend on the quality of the alloys and the quality of the forging itself of course.

The factory cast Mitsu pistons are a proprietary blend of alloys and heat treating. No doubt Mitsubishi has done their home work. The fact is that it takes a pretty damn good piston to surpass the factory part for a street car that needs to work in a wide range of conditions. In a race engine you can throw in a set or American 2618's and with its one purpose use, it would be fine. Throw in a set Cosworth piston and the engine would be fine for street or race. Or you'd just have a race engine that would last a whole lot longer. Mahles are nice too. I have a set in my RB26, but they are custom designed box in box 2618 race pistons and not the off the shelf Power Pak 4032 pistons.

But of course none of this means shit if your machinist is lazy and doesn't care for details. Its ALL in the details!
Marillionado
# Marillionado
Tuesday, February 01, 2011 9:59 AM
Hi Eric,

Just thought of dropping a line regarding a very interesting (to me at
least) engine configuration from the 80's.
By the end of 1986, Lancia was preparing a substitute for the awesome
Delta S4, with yet an even more monstruous car, know as the ECV
(EXPERIMENTAL COMPOSITE VEHICLE).
This car had, amongst other things, a fully revised 1.8L 4 cylinder bi
turbo engine, rather than the previous compressor/turbo arrangement.
The fact that it was a 4 cilinder with dual turbo's is noteworthy by
itself, but the way the engineers managed that is quite incredible in
my view, well worth taking a close look.

You can check out the whole concept in a site recently created by some
of the staff envolved in the project, all those years ago:
http://www.ecv1.com/

The engine itself can be seen here in some detail:
http://www.ecv1.com/motore.htm

Sorry to say, it's in italian.
Being portuguese myself, isn't too much of a problem, but I'm sure
you'll have to ask your pal Giuseppe for some help :-)

Hope you enjoy the reading as much as I do.

Best regards,

Pedro Amaral
Eric Hsu
# Eric Hsu
Wednesday, February 02, 2011 10:23 PM
Pedro: that engine is pretty crazy! I wish the site was in English. I'll see if my friend can translate. Google Translate isn't very good for technical subjects. Thanks for the link.
Marillionado
# Marillionado
Friday, February 11, 2011 5:58 AM
Eric, "no problemo", always good to share this stuff.

You can get a look at the car being brought back to life (well deserved) here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT61ML7e6vA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFOZKbTkdB4&feature=related

The older S4 in action here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y-iRifVkJc

00:36 is just 10 miles from where I live
Marillionado
# Marillionado
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:52 AM
Yet another video from earlier Cosworth DFV engines being reassembled at Northampton.
Interesting explanation on valve bouncing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cbjqj5Kidk&feature=related

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