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Mike Kojima posted on July 27, 2010 20:07 
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| This aluminum plate was used during boring and honing to simulate the distortion that bolting on a cylinder head creates. This way when a head is actually bolted on, the bores will be round. |
To help stiffen the block to improve bore stability and ring seal and to improve head gasket seal by reducing cylinder shift, we partially filled the water jackets of the block with aluminum filled epoxy resin. The aluminum filling helps the filler match the expansion rate of the block. We filled the block to the level of the piston rings at BDC. We feel that this won't effect cooling much as some engines have water jackets this short. The filling will reduce flex in the block.
The engine was bored 1mm oversize to accommodate the new pistons. During boring, a torque plate was used. A torque plate is a special metal plate that is bolted to the top of the head during machining to simulate the distortion that bolting on a cylinder head will apply to the block when its bolts are tightened. The torque plate helps ensure that the cylinder bores will be round when the head is attached to the block.
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| In this photo, you can see the block water jacket epoxy filling and the bore finish. The bores were made extremely smooth with a 600 grit final hone with a cork bonded plateau hone as a final step. After honing the bore was WPC treated. |
By ensuring a rounder bore, the torque plate greatly helps improve the ring seal and reduces piston scuffing thus improving the life of the rings, bore and piston. As a side effect, power is increased as well. To ensure good gasket sealing with a metal head gasket, the head mating surface was machined flat in a mill and lapped on a surface plate.
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| The piston coolers are the copper colored nozzles that squirt oil onto the underside of the pistons. |
Turbocharged engines create a lot of internal heat, much more than your typical naturally aspirated engine. This issue is compounded in road racing where an engine is stressed for up to 40 minutes at a time compared to mere seconds as a street car or drag car will be. To help the pistons shed heat JWT installed piston coolers from a Honda B18C engine.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:11 AM
Great article as usual Mike !
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:04 AM
Awesome write-up, I cant wait to see this beast fully done up. I love the idea of mapping the boost in the lower gears, can it be done in any turbo set-up?
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:13 AM
Well written as usual, but I have a few questions. 1.) Does undercutting the main bearing not give you the willies? How much experimentation did JWT do to prove this is safe? 2.) Similarly, did you use the later model oil pump to accommodate for the lost oil volume from the oil squirters? How much oil do they actually flow? At what pressure do the Honda squirters open up? Longevity mods seem counter intuitive in a race engine with no harmonic damper... 3.) Can you actually buy an Altima without AC? I didn't know you could buy anything without AC any more, lol.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:42 AM
My question is regarding the replacement of the crank damper with a lightweight pulley. Everything I've read from reputable sources suggests that running an inline-4 without a tuned damper can be disastrous for the life of the main bearings.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:53 AM
Don't get Mike started about light weight pulleys LOL! There's actually a thread in the MotoIQ forums where we discussed this quite a bit.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:55 AM
I am with ab0z on this one. Everywhere I read, people say that removing the OE crankshaft pulley (which in most cases has damper inside), ruins the crankshaft bearings quicker. Can you shed some light on that Mike?
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:23 AM
Mike has been using them for years without problems. http://www.motoiq.com/forum/aff/10/aft/264/afv/topic.aspx
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:27 AM
All good questions, Without writing a whole bunch, on an inline 4 don't worry about it unless it spends a lot of time past 8k which most OEM dampers are not tuned for anyway. The RTR World Challenge Sentra didn't have a damper and had an even smaller pulley. Grooving the backside of the bearing saddle will not hurt anything, we don't do stupid stuff, Nissan also did this on the 54C SR20DET. Adding piston coolers are not for longevity, but survival on a turbo road race engine that does it for more than a quarter mile at a time. We are using the latest version of the oil pump and that engine uses coolers.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 3:59 PM
will the oil coolers from the later model QR bolt up to an earlier model QR? Or do you have to modify the block?
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:24 PM
You have to machine the block to use them.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:38 PM
how much of a pain in the ass would it be to increase the deck height via a spacer, sleeves, and a custom timing chain cover and chain? would such an undertaking be worth it? OS Giken does it with their RB stroker kits, but those are timing belt engines.

Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:41 AM
Are those the piston squirters from the DET, KA motor? Where did you source them from? Nice article, great approach (as if I'd know lol). . Like a lot of people I was pretty pissed when the QR25 showed up in place of a SR20VE or even a revised KA24DE, seems as much motivated by emissions, economics/shared platform issues with the huge #'s of Altimas out there. Very interesting how you are addressing each strength/weakness of the QR25 I'd never have the resources to do this, which keeps me completely away from owning car with any performance aspirations with a QR motor, that and its notorious long list of problems. Too bad because the Spec V chassis seems pretty good. But I don't buy Nissan for lack of reliability, stock QR just seems like a gentrified attempt addressing the KA24DE power/weight/flow issues and avoiding using an SR20VE - which would have made that a kick-ass car OEM. Things like the egg-beater balancers, etc. all seem to be addressing shortcomings of the original design (crank/lower end design, weak rod bearings, etc). The KA24DE was a better motor in some ways, reliability not the least of those. Heavier, yes, but having seen some pretty high powered KA builds there, at least other than weak pistons (which you'd pull for FI anyway), it's a tough motor. The car would really have been an OEM screamer if they offered the Altima SE-R version of the VQ35DE...which probably makes zero marketing sense given the arrival of the 350Z and the V6 Altima.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:57 AM
Going to a deck plate introduces a whole new set of reliability issues although it would be cool to have a taller deck in this motor, a decent rod ratio would make it less thrashy and longer lived. I don't like sleeves, they are hard to seal and add a bunch of integrity issues to the block. It seems like 50% of sleeved motors eventually spring leaks or at least must be torn down and redecked, sometimes several times before they settle. The K Motor has a lot of problems as well, mostly deck seal with more than 20 psi in things more rigorous than 1/4 mile and dyno passes. Next is block failure due to harmonics at more than 7500 rpm with real use. At more than 500 hp they get pretty sketchy. Matt Powers has to take it easy on his turbo K drift car, at more than 500 hp it is super unreliable.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:00 AM
Sorry, that came out kind of accusatory. I guess I was asking more how experimental THIS motor was regarding the main bearing undercuts. I'm sure you guys and Jim Wolf wouldn't want to field the demands from 500 dudes wanting undercut main bearings if they weren't willing to do it to a customer motor.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:40 PM
The backing plate of the bearing is steel and around 0.080 thick, its pretty strong. The groove area is small and its on the top side where its not going to have a huge compressive load. Plus this has been done on many other OEM applications by other manufactures. The SR20VE does this s well.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:52 PM
@ Steve: In this case the squirters are sourced from a Honda B18C. In the article Mike also mentions that the squirters that later model QR motors came with could be used as well.
Wednesday, October 06, 2010 3:33 AM
Hello, nice building you are doing. I have a question regarding the head gasket have you purchased it from a Nissan dealer in the U.S., with the three layers? you have the part number? In Sweden we get it with two layers of Nissan Europe. I work at a Nissan dealer in Sweden and part number I ordered 11044-6N202 Best regards Sune
Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:21 PM
What is considered late model on the rod bearings in the qr25?
Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:41 PM
B16 or 2007 plus
 
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