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08-31-2009 06:12 PM  

 need help finding prefomace parts for a 94 toyota tercel.

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08-31-2009 09:12 PM  
That wil be pretty hard indeed. I hate to say it but you are better off selling it and getting an easier to mod car.
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09-01-2009 07:52 AM  
well its my first car, to actually start building. i'd just like to get a feel for tuning with something as easy as this than something like my dad's landcruiser.
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09-01-2009 08:39 AM  
what motor is in the car?
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09-01-2009 10:20 AM Accepted Answer  

It has a 3AC, an engine with absolutely no aftermarket support at all and no performance potential at all. Attempting to modify this car would simply devalue it and make it so it would be impossible to get rid of used. To modify it would mean all fabricated, custom, one off parts which means expensive. Even then you would have an expensive Tercel which is twice as fast as a stock Tercel but half the speed of a old STOCK Civic Si or Sentra SE-R that is worth nothing to no one, that everyone would clown.  Sort of like having a fixed up Yugo.

The best most logical bet is to sell it as a thrifty economical commenter to a starving student, then buy a better car. If you are a starving student, hold off on being into cars until you graduate collage and get a decent job. Education is critical for your life. Being into cars can wait until you have time and disposable income. Go to school!

You could sell your Tercel for around $1000-2000 bucks, search around and find a nice Sentra SE-R, A B13 or B14 for $1500-6000 used, having a much better car with tons of available parts for less total expenditure than trying to make an exhaust and intake for your Tercel.  Honda's tend to cost more in the used market so the SE-R is a better performance bargain if money is an issue.

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09-01-2009 11:12 AM  
I'm guessing that you're young (if not then forgive me) but I know it's not so easy to just buy and sell for a different car at that point in life. Sometimes you just don't have the money, sometimes your parents dictate that rule while in high school. We've all been there I'm sure and there's nothing wrong with that.

My advice is to not bother with tuning or modifying this car. At all. There's little or no aftermarket support for this car anyhow, and even if there was, the results would be minimal. I would strongly suggest spending your time and money on maintenance and upkeep. The first rule of modding is that you need to know how to remove, repair, replace parts. You need to know how everything works and works together, at the OEM level, so you know how to properly choose your upgrades. Again I'm assuming, but I assume someone who knows alot about cars knows his modding effort is more wisely spent on a better car. I bet 4 of 5 people who mod their cars haphazardly choose some parts, toss em all together, and end up with a mess.

Buy some tools and a service manual, do some maintenance tasks, get that car running tip-top. Spend a day taking something apart just to learn how it works. Then when it's time, you'll know alot more about how cars work so you can choose your next car carefully and purposefully. And mod that one.
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09-01-2009 02:49 PM  
Thats very good advice!
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09-02-2009 03:11 AM  

 well you asumed right. I'm a sophomore in college trying to learn the basics (at least) of how a car runs, so when i get a better car i plan on at least know what and how to put parts together.

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09-02-2009 04:46 AM  
Posted By gloreboy on 09-02-2009 05:11 AM

 well you asumed right. I'm a sophomore in college trying to learn the basics (at least) of how a car runs, so when i get a better car i plan on at least know what and how to put parts together.


On the most basic level, the way a car works is: suck, squish, bang, blow.

Buy used car theory books on Amazon, reading is just about free compared to blowing up a motor. Mod your mind.

Just about anything on Fuel Injection Theory is a good read (mabe boring, but vital to know).

Anything Auto Math or Automotive Math is a good read.

"Honda/Acura Engine Performance" is a good read too.

 

The tid bit of info that got me thinking about what really made a motor tick was something along these lines in some car magazine I read when I was 12 or so: At 6000 rpms a motor is rotating at 100 per second. That's 200 strokes per second because for 360* crank rotation the piston will change direction twice. That means the piston is abruptly changing direction 200 times a second at 6000 rpms. At 6000 rpms you have 100 valve actions, or 50 valve actioins per second per each set of valves, the cam always spins at 1/2 crank speed. That's what's going on per individual cylinder.

Then I thouguht about sports bikes turing 14,000 rpms and it really tweaked my melon.

I'd start there, if you can wrap your your head around some of those concepts you'll be on your way towards the right side of the "tuner crowd" bell curve.

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09-02-2009 08:37 AM  
Well allright then! Books like the ones mentioned above will do a great job in understanding how stuff works. Another I like is getting on in years, and although it's Volkswagen specific it's still a great read to learn how things work and how mods will affect the car - "Volkswagen Sport Tuning" by Per Schroeder (Per writes for Grassroots Motorsports these days as well). It's a great book to start out with and by the way it'll focus more on balance and handling than power.

I still say get ahold of a techical service manual though. I've learned alot just by reading them (and actually my job is creating tech manuals for an OEM). I learn by visuals and the parts explosions really help explain how things work together.
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10-19-2009 08:11 PM  
O. I'm also driving my dads landcruiser should i even think about going under this heavyweight hood just to get more power out of it. Or should i stick to the family traditon and let it stay as it is.
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02-21-2010 03:19 PM  
Is the motor a 3E-E?
Then the cheapest route would be to upgrade for a 5E-FE (16 valves DOHC) and get 110 hp...
Then bolt-on the turbo kit that comes standard on the Japan-only 4E-FTE and get about 150 hp.

There is a lot to learn from various websites about modding your Tercel, I'll let you do your homeworks but here's one to get you started:
http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/

BTW I own a 1990 Toyota Starlet GT imported from Japan
133 hp and 850 kg...stock!
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02-23-2010 08:44 PM  
^I like starlets,

On Topic: Just throw a 3S-GTE in it and call it a day
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03-11-2010 09:13 AM  

thank you for the help and opening my mind to find tercel enthusiasts. I never thought someone would actually have turbos and not to mention body kits for a car only ment to cheaply take one person from here to there. I did find a tercel preformence/fan site at  www.tercelonline.com and from what i breifly looked at it seems like my best bet is still the 5E-FE. And what luck I found a JDM 5E-FE motor online at ebay for 650.00. cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyota-Pase...ccessories

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03-11-2010 10:02 AM  
O yeah to answer the What kind of engine it is? It is a 3E-4 engine but when I posted this message I knew (well i had a friend check it out) that one of the values had a leak from somewhere, the timing belt is off, and a bunch of other small stuff is going wrong so I believe it would be best to swap it out.
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03-11-2010 10:40 AM  
Posted By gloreboy89 on 03-11-2010 12:02 PM
O yeah to answer the What kind of engine it is? It is a 3E-4 engine but when I posted this message I knew (well i had a friend check it out) that one of the values had a leak from somewhere, the timing belt is off, and a bunch of other small stuff is going wrong so I believe it would be best to swap it out.


Sometimes you have to jump through the hoops yourself to realize all the effort isn't worth it.  I think we can all understand that. 

As the others have said you're better off dumping the Tercel for something more fun unless you'd simply like to learn how to fix all that stuff.  I think the point we are trying to make is when you do fix these things you'll still have a car that's about as bland as a stale cracker which is no big deal if you just need transportation.  BTW my Golf TDI is a stale cracker too.

One drive in an old B13 or B14 SE-R (or similar cheap car) will change your mind.  Almost 20 years ago these cars were the answer for cheap speed and they are even cheaper today.
 

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03-11-2010 10:48 AM  

One last thing the Sentra flew under the radar with my parents way more than the Camaro, Mustang, MR2 or Supra that I really wanted.  Nobody expects a Sentra to be fast which is one of the best things about the car.

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03-27-2010 06:17 PM  
Posted By Mike Kojima on 09-01-2009 12:20 PM

It has a 3AC, an engine with absolutely no aftermarket support at all and no performance potential at all. Attempting to modify this car would simply devalue it and make it so it would be impossible to get rid of used. To modify it would mean all fabricated, custom, one off parts which means expensive. Even then you would have an expensive Tercel which is twice as fast as a stock Tercel but half the speed of a old STOCK Civic Si or Sentra SE-R that is worth nothing to no one, that everyone would clown.  Sort of like having a fixed up Yugo.

The best most logical bet is to sell it as a thrifty economical commenter to a starving student, then buy a better car. If you are a starving student, hold off on being into cars until you graduate collage and get a decent job. Education is critical for your life. Being into cars can wait until you have time and disposable income. Go to school!

You could sell your Tercel for around $1000-2000 bucks, search around and find a nice Sentra SE-R, A B13 or B14 for $1500-6000 used, having a much better car with tons of available parts for less total expenditure than trying to make an exhaust and intake for your Tercel.  Honda's tend to cost more in the used market so the SE-R is a better performance bargain if money is an issue.

Hi Mike,

It's a 1994; they had the E serie by then...

I'll have to disagree concerning the aftermarket support; those cars were raced in Europe and Japan and there's quite a few companies still doing performance parts for them (Cruise, Jam, TRD, Tom's, Whitheline...).

For a performance comparison, I owned a 1993 NX2000 and my 1990 Starlet GT is faster in every aspect and have more potential for about the same price.



 

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03-29-2010 07:07 AM  

I was an engineer for TRD and they didnt have ANY Tercel parts, Starlet yes, lots of support and racing for it, Tercel no Zero.

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03-30-2010 04:44 PM  
Oooops...sorry for the weird sentence I made!
By cars I meant Tercel/Sera/Starlet/Paseo; lots of those aftermarket parts will fit either car.



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