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Last Post 04-04-2012 12:51 PM by sirnixalot. 7 Replies.
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03-09-2011 10:33 AM  

I am in the process of piecing together the materials to make a mild steel short runner manifold out of weld elbows for my Evo 3 for an Evo X turbo which I am getting from gcmBob.  The goal for the car on 93 pump gas is 14psi on 10:1 CR on a 2.2L motor so nothing too crazy.  I haven't heard of the Evo X's having any boost creep

I am not sure about cutting the stock flapper off exposing the 2 ports to the separate ports in the turbine housing and doing an external wastegate off the O2 housing as the 2 separate exhaust paths will essentially have a small chamber to share. which in my mind defeats the purpose of going twin scroll.  He has advised me that since there is no real flow happening in the "chamber" until the wastegate opens that it should not really make much of a difference.  Couple that with the fact that the stock flapper is not air tight against the face of the opening.

I will have to reclock the compressor housing either way to have it exit pointing downward.  

Option 1 (cheapest)

Keep the internal wastegate setup and have new mounting points for the actuator welded onto the compressor housing.  This keeps the 2 exhaust paths seperate until they meet the turbine blade.

Option 2 

Cut the flapper off and mount a Tial 38mm MVS off the O2 housing

Option 3

Weld the flapper shut and take the effort and build a merge collector with a divider wall that is flush with the face of the Tial's valve face.

 

 

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03-09-2011 03:49 PM  

I'd go for option #1.

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03-10-2011 05:37 AM  
You couldn't run 2 MVS gates? There should be plenty of room on the downpipe/ o2 housing side of the manifold to run a second gate and keep flow separated all the way to atmospheric/ downpipe return.
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03-10-2011 05:54 AM  
Twin gates are just added cost, weight and complexity. I am still undecided but If i do the external option i will probably do a merged Y with a divider wall.
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06-08-2011 08:09 PM  
a little late to the party, but I would vote for option #1 as well. machine a couple of standoffs, grab a tig, and go to town!
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06-09-2011 07:14 AM  
I am a little late to reply. I was supposed to get a Tial 44 vband wastegate from a guy that owed me some money but i have been burned on that (always do receipts no matter what)

Bob combined a 14psi stock replacement actuator and a garrett actuator i had laying around with an added 1/4" of exhaust pipe. The pipe added some distance on the lower half (below the diaphragm) for increased open throw. This almost doubled the amount the flapper opened. Due to the increased can length the 14psi spring was relaxed a bit so it ended up being an 9-10psi spring. Since then i have gotten my own mig and modified it to work the the Evo X turbo. I added a shim under the spring as well to get back to the 14psi. I took the actuator and turbo to my family's heavy equipment repair shop and their guy tig'd on some tabs to mount the actuator.


Here it is
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06-09-2011 07:51 AM  

That's pretty freakin sweet!  Nice job making it work

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04-04-2012 12:51 PM  
Well it turns out I am going to be giving this a shot.

I just came from the hardware store with 1 foot of 1" sch40 ERW pipe.

I am going to see if there is some miraculous way i can do it off the manifold without making it a royal pain to get to the nuts/studs

Judging from the above pic i should be able to have one take off come off the front of runner #1, make a 90* to the right and meet up with a pipe coming 45* pointed towards the right/front of the car off cyl #2.

Gonna see if GCMBob has a few minutes to look over it with me to see if thats the best bet or to try and make a short divided tube that mates with the ports in the turbine housing
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