Wes
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| 10-07-2011 06:42 PM |
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Figured I would start a thread for this new project. Here we can answer any questions, discuss potential modifications, and just shoot the shit about our newest project car.
For our first post let's discuss powertrain modifications.
Turbocharge the 2ZZ or swap in a K series. Which would you use and why? |
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spdracerut
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| 10-07-2011 09:48 PM |
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If the options are to keep the stock engine and turbo it, or swap in a NA K20, I'd turbo the stock engine. If there's the option of a K20 swap plus turbo, that'd be the way to go. However, it'd be very expensive. |
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Doctor Bruce
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| 10-07-2011 10:37 PM |
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Forcedfed did up a few turbo charged Elises that are wicked! I personally like picking the option, whichever you decide that may be, that involves the most reliability while fitting in your budget. If that means building a rocksolid 2zz and then waiting to go Turbo, do that. If you know you're going to want a superior motor to start with, it's hard not to pick the K series. |
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Wes
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| 10-08-2011 08:29 AM |
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Khiem.... I was all set on an NA K series when you had to start talking about the turbo again... This has me thinking HARD about 300ish WHP in the stock setup without a swap and a relatively simple turbo setup...
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jere
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| 10-08-2011 01:57 PM |
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The K swap seems to go in the "something to do to be different" category to me. The stock motor sounds pretty capable, why go through all of the extra expense and trouble when you can exceed the same power mark boosting the stock motor? I could understand if you wanted to hit a lot higher power mark FI on the stock K motor, but again that goes in the category of "something to do to be different". What are the ultimate goals for the car? Is there a certain class of racing that you are going for that has requirements on motors or power? Or is it all more for the sake of maximum fun? If you have some kind of class the K swap would help you with then go for that, but spending lots of money and having lots of down time and unknown hassles with installation doesn't sound like much fun to me. |
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Wes
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| 10-08-2011 04:09 PM |
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Goal is to improve on every aspect of the car without taking away it's original character. Wharever the car lands in terms of classign is where we will compete....
That said the K swap is more reasonable than people thing mainly because the OEM Elise drivetrain sells for a pretty penny to other Lotus enthusiasts wanting spares. It can offset between 50-75% of the K swap.
I agree there certainly is appeal to boosting the stock motor, the only thing that I am pondering is thermal management and reliability on a road course. |
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kj
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| 10-10-2011 07:37 PM |
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Those Toyota engines are not easy to squeeze extra horsepower out of. There seems to be a real lack of quality aftermarket parts available, even TRD kinda skipped over this motor. It's a nice motor in stock form... |
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ErikO
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| 10-13-2011 09:18 AM |
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I think the K series is the way to go. Far more aftermarket support and variation of OEM parts for tuning (TSX bottom end, type-R goodies). A set of ITB's would give the Elise the proper race car noises it deserves. Maybe try using a set of M3 or GT-R throttle bodies? |
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ErikO
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| 10-13-2011 09:19 AM |
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Double post. 
damn noobs. |
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Doctor Bruce
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| 10-16-2011 03:11 PM |
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Here's a little inspiration for you Wes: http://speedhunters.com/archive/2011/10/16/car-feature-gt-gt-the-turbo-carbon-lotus.aspx Have you thought about doing the Exige conversion? EVERY one that I've seen looks sick and a little meaner and more exotic than the standard Elise. |
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Dusty_Duster
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| 10-18-2011 10:27 AM |
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Posted By kj on 10-10-2011 09:37 PM
Those Toyota engines are not easy to squeeze extra horsepower out of. There seems to be a real lack of quality aftermarket parts available, even TRD kinda skipped over this motor. It's a nice motor in stock form...
I thought TRD made a supercharger kit for it?
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RallyBob
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| 10-18-2011 11:15 AM |
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Have you called Turbokits.com? They used to make a Lotus turbo kit. I think he bought all of Jay Hass' old tooling, but discontinued the kits because of the relatively small market and lack of ECU options. But he probably still has the tooling. I could always stop by and ask Jesse (the owner), as it's on the way to my shop in the morning. |
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burninator
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| 10-18-2011 11:40 AM |
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I have a friend with an Elise who supercharged it. Not sure the brand of the supercharger, but I thought it was a factory offering, I could ask him. Before the supercharger with an exhaust and a tune it made 158 hp, with the supercharger and a fresh tune it made 220 hp. Pretty impressive gain in power without too much weight and not a lot of work I thought. |
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RallyBob
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spdracerut
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| 10-18-2011 06:10 PM |
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One major concern is ECU tuning. I don't think there's an easy way to tune the factory ECU. What are the options? |
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Wes
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| 10-21-2011 10:19 AM |
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Radium engineering offers an amazing turbo kit for the 2ZZ. Huge power potential based on turbocharger selection in a SUPER clean package.
http://store.radiumauto.com/index.p...p;parent=1
As far as supercharger kits there are a TON of them out there that can make up to 400WHP. They do work, but I am a turbo guy and having built a turbo car in the past it is more appealing to me for a # of reasons. Power potential, upgradability, efficiency etc.... Yes there are cons. but for me the pro's outweigh them!
Thanks for the offer Bob! They used a log manifold correct? I remembered the old Hass setup on the Elise from a few years back.... If turbo is our route we will be using a newer divided housing turbocharger that will require some pretty trick fabricaion at the manifold. Want to make a manifold for us?
As for ECU options there are a few ways to go. There is a very popular tuner from the Lotus Forum that pretty much everyone uses, I would more than likely utilize his custom program at least as a baseline. |
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Fly'n_Z
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| 10-21-2011 12:32 PM |
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Oooohh, sweet sounds like the idea of turbocharging the 2ZZ might be making a comeback  . I'd love to see a well designed and implemented turbo system on this car. The radium kit certainly looks nice. |
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nissannx
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| 10-22-2011 12:14 PM |
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Wes, you're only about 600 miles from Mosport. How about bringing the Lotus for a track weekend next summer! |
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GCMBob
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| 10-24-2011 03:20 PM |
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check out monkeywrench racing. They have the Power FC conversion i think. |
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Wes
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| 11-14-2011 09:37 AM |
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SEMA was a good week to check out the wares of companies offering parts for the Elise. We had some good dialog with a few manufacturers and have some better ideas for suspension as well as sorting some of the Elise's weak links. Because it is damn near winter time here in WI it will be an interesting winter baselining the Elise and getting a few things done in anticipation of spring!
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