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06-26-2010 09:45 AM  

I want to start off by thanking some of the people that have helped in making this happen. Either by their knowledge, excellent products, help & support. Thanks You to Greg & Seb @ Specialty Z, Mike Smith @ MSP, My Welder Darren @ AT, Everyone @ http://www.projectz32.com, All the guys @ RPS Clutches, Charles @ PowerTrix, All the guys @ Fast Intentions, Brett @ BDE, Jim @ Selin Design, Jason K., Dean D., Robbie S., Ryan E., & anyone that I may have left out.

When I decided I wanted to set a new Stock: Turbo/Heads/Block Record I didn't ever think it would make this much power. When we finished up the tune on 100 octane & it matched the prior record, I knew we were about to see something special. I have been talking this up for about a year now & there have been many supporters along the way and just as many haters. I'm sure that there will be people that cry "foul play", saying that I cheated in some way & that these # are not possible on stock turbos.....

It goes to show that their are products out their that are "good enough" for some people and others that are the best. I did not skimp on the bill on this build, I only put on the best products. Here is the abbreviated mods list:

*Completely stock/un-modified Bottom End
*Completely stock/un-modified 40P Heads
*Completely stock/un-modified 5 speed cams
*Completely stock/un-modified 5 speed turbos (NOT SP500!)
*Specialty Z Custom Dyno Tune 91, 100 & 116
*Specialty-Z SS 4-Bolt 3" Expansion Down Pipes w/ Wastegate Separators
*Specialty-Z SS 3" Test Pipes
*Specialty-Z: SS 3" Single Oval Cat-Back Exhaust
*Specialty-Z 6QT Oil Pan
*Specialty-Z Multi Map 16 Program Switcher
*Specialty-Z 1 Piece Clutch Line w/ New Slave Cylinder
*MSP Manifolds (Mike Smith)
*Selin Translator
*Custom "Intercooler" Piping 2.5"
*Custom "Suction Pipes" w/ Jim Wolf Duel 350Z Filters 2.5"
*Custom "Accordion" Pipes 2.5"
*Stock "Turbo Inlet" Pipes
*AshSpec Massive SMIC
*Z1 58mm Throttle Bodies
*Mild Port & Polish Upper Intake Plenum
*Specialty-Z "High Five" Puck Clutch (The lightest clutch made for the Z32)
*RPS Segmented Flywheel
*Z1 Platinum Aluminum 1 piece drive shaft (Might get replaced with a CF DS in the future)
*Blitz SBC ID Boost Controller
*300 Degree Fuel Rails w/Nismo 740cc Injectors
*CZP Fuel Rail Lines (OEM route)
*BDE Engine Mounts
*BDE Intake Cam Gears (un-adjusted)
*Tomei Exhaust Cam Gears (adjusted)
*Koyo Radiator
*Stillen Lower Radiator Hard Pipe
*Unorthodox Racing Crank Pulley
*YB HI Over Drive Water Pump Pulley
*Nissan R34 Skyline Wheels, 18"x9" +30 Offset (19#ea)
*265/35/18 Falken Azenis RT-615 (I will never buy these tires again)
*Stock 3.69 diff
*All Deletes done
*Full weight

As a note there are graphs in both SAE & STD. I only post the STD Graph because it made 499.78WHP & 533.50WTQ, generically "500HP on stock turbos". It made 491 on SAE. There are a few "little things" that I can do still to make it crack the 500hp mark on the industry standard of SAE.
Here are the Dyno Graphs:

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06-26-2010 11:43 AM  

Sounds a lot of time and energy was put into this project. Congratluations!

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06-28-2010 06:32 AM  
Very impressive! If you compare your dyno chart to those of other Z32s with upgraded turbos you can see that down low (up to 3500 RPM) you're making more torque and horsepower. It looks like you went with all the right guys and all the right parts and got the right results. In scanning your mod list I'm not seeing any knock off made in China parts.

Curious... are there plans to upgrade to a set of aftermarket turbos or build the bottom end? You've certainly got all the mods to support more power.
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06-28-2010 07:50 AM  
Nice parts and nice build. Specialty Z is definitely the place to go for Z32 excellence.

How about dyno sheets with smoothing = 0? The Dynojet (inertia 248 type) is the most sensitive chassis dyno around. Smoothing = 0 tells all. Your curves looks so nice I don't think there's anything hiding under the smoothing, but I'm just a stickler about smoothing = 5.
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06-28-2010 08:57 AM  
Thanks Eric. I have the files on my lap top with WinPep7, I will see if I can adjust the smoothing to 0 & post up some more graphs.
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06-28-2010 06:59 PM  

Smoothing Set to "0"
The graphs are of the highest run in both SAE & STD. It "shows" a little bit more power with the smoothing factor @ 0.


 

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06-30-2010 06:48 AM  

Nice!  Flat power accross the top as well.  Shows that the stock manifolds are bigger corks that the little T25 turbos!

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06-30-2010 09:29 AM  
Posted By Mike Kojima on 06-30-2010 08:48 AM

Nice!  Flat power accross the top as well.  Shows that the stock manifolds are bigger corks that the little T25 turbos!

Did you ever wind up fitting a set of the MSP manifolds to your car or are you still running the welded/ported stockers that I remember from the SCC project days?

 

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07-01-2010 07:57 AM  

Adding MSP manifolds is on the list of things to do.  I have bigger cams, manifolds and GT28RS turbos that will probably never get done.

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07-01-2010 09:54 AM  
Posted By Mike Kojima on 07-01-2010 09:57 AM

Adding MSP manifolds is on the list of things to do.  I have bigger cams, manifolds and GT28RS turbos that will probably never get done.

 

The list always seems to get bigger dosen't it? LOL.  On the GT28RS I have see great improvements from using 2.5" intercooler plumbing & assoicated intercooler/ throttle bodies.  In the neighborhood of 75whp/75wftq give or take.  Are you planning on adding that to the list as well?

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07-01-2010 12:50 PM  

Yeah I actually have a set of bigger charge pipes and intercoolers modded with bigger bibs.  Somehow I can't get fired up to work on the Z32 because I don't like driving it that much.  Its hard to drive and control.  My EVO is so much more fun.

I guess I need to work on the rear suspension, take the anti out of it and add more toe in under roll.  Then I would have to revise the spring rates.  Tune the LSD as well.  Then it would be a lot faster and more fun to drive.  I guess I got to get fired up about Z32's

Your car is good inspiration!  Really good work getting power from so little!

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07-01-2010 02:41 PM  
Posted By Mike Kojima on 07-01-2010 02:50 PM

Yeah I actually have a set of bigger charge pipes and intercoolers modded with bigger bibs.  Somehow I can't get fired up to work on the Z32 because I don't like driving it that much.  Its hard to drive and control.  My EVO is so much more fun.

I guess I need to work on the rear suspension, take the anti out of it and add more toe in under roll.  Then I would have to revise the spring rates.  Tune the LSD as well.  Then it would be a lot faster and more fun to drive.  I guess I got to get fired up about Z32's

Your car is good inspiration!  Really good work getting power from so little!


Thank you that means a lot coming from your self.  I know that there are many people across the world that I talk to who find your Z32 project(s) a huge inspiration in their own.  I can understand about the Evo comparison too.  I'm inspired to go work on my Z thinking about your track Z.  I think I need a girlfriend.


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11-22-2010 06:52 PM  

Sooo if one were to tune this car on e85 and 93 octane I could expect about 430-440whp on 93 and 470-480whp on e85? Abouts.

And then if one were to bolt on 2860rs's with no other change in mods what kind of power and torque could be expected? 600+ whp and torque?

I'm just happy that the z32 scene us starting to develop at an increasing rate. Just these past two years so many turbo kits, suspension, electronics and etc have been developed for our platform. I'd like to see more development but certain vendors have been copying others and taking away from the r&d budget and consumers which sux.

I would really like to see some updated aero or at least have some of the pentroof, abflug, blitz items more accessible. Brett dempsy, and Joe from zspeed have been doing a good bit of engineering parts for our cars and my personal group of people who I hang out with "NYZC" are getting the z back out in the car scene when we can with all these parts Installed. Common mike I know u have a few thoughts on how to make the z better.

How us the z32 hard to drive? Does te hicas make the rear feel unsettled to u? I've had both a non turBo and twin turbo and the TT end is a bit different but u just have to trust the car. I drove an evo and it's def better than any other 4 banger (sans sti), handles great and turbo spools up stupid quick.

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11-24-2010 06:36 AM  
I'm late on this, but the thread just got bumped so I just saw it. Did I miss the old record here somewhere? What was it?

As far as SAE vs STD... There is no valid correction factor to use on a turbocharged car. Depending on the altitude these graphs could be showing a lot of power that isn't there.
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11-24-2010 07:26 AM  
What's the altitude in Sounthern California... gotta be pretty close to 0. Specialty Z are pretty well the best when it comes to Z32 performance so trust me, all the power shown is there. I believe the old record was around 460 rwhp and didn't hold the power flat across the top end like induetime has. You won't findthe old record here though, you'd have to read about something like that on twinturbo.net or 300zxclub.com.
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11-24-2010 09:03 AM  
Your right, that place is in LA, the altitude there must be right around 0. I wasn't paying close attention to the location of this place. More often than not people will put the corrected numbers up on any car on a run done anywhere. I meant that was more of a general statement, not trying to dismiss these impressive numbers.
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02-01-2011 06:02 PM  
Here is a little blog post about my Z
specialtyz.com/blog/
Posted By Tarik Laaraj on 11-22-2010 08:52 PM

Sooo if one were to tune this car on e85 and 93 octane I could expect about 430-440whp on 93 and 470-480whp on e85? Abouts.  Sounds about right.


And then if one were to bolt on 2860rs's with no other change in mods what kind of power and torque could be expected? 600+ whp and torque? The 2860 is probably the best proportioned turbo for the Z32, with all of the same mods as I have you can make near 700whp on Q16/C16 race fuel with a proper dyno tune.  Here are a few other setups dyno graphs that have very similar upgrades to my Z, along with bigger turbos:

specialtyz.com/blog/

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I'm just happy that the z32 scene us starting to develop at an increasing rate. Just these past two years so many turbo kits, suspension, electronics and etc have been developed for our platform. I'd like to see more development but certain vendors have been copying others and taking away from the r&d budget and consumers which sux. The blantent copying of parts does suck.  BUt there are parts still in development.  Keep your eyes out for new things to come from those who continue to push the Z32 boundries.

How us the z32 hard to drive? Drive a 500whp+ Z32 & you will understand why its difficult to drive.  FUN, but more difficult than many other vehicles.

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02-01-2011 06:06 PM  
Posted By Burninator on 11-24-2010 08:36 AM
I'm late on this, but the thread just got bumped so I just saw it. Did I miss the old record here somewhere? What was it?
The prior record was (IIRC) 467whp, but the power peaked and dropped off right away & the car ran 11.5 in the 1/4 mile.
As far as SAE vs STD... There is no valid correction factor to use on a turbocharged car. Depending on the altitude these graphs could be showing a lot of power that isn't there. I use posted both for everyone that liked to view wich ever.  I like to say it made "500whp" so I use STD correction.  I'm planning on a few adjustment to try and break 500whp on SAE correction factor though.

 

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02-01-2011 06:10 PM  
Posted By Burninator on 11-24-2010 11:03 AM
Your right, that place is in LA, the altitude there must be right around 0. I wasn't paying close attention to the location of this place. More often than not people will put the corrected numbers up on any car on a run done anywhere. I meant that was more of a general statement, not trying to dismiss these impressive numbers. Specialty Z is in Chattsworth, CA. Up in the Valley.  So its not quite 0 altitude, but its not high either.  IIRC it was 80ish degrees that day.  We actually let the car cool over night & tried to do a "Glory Run" to see if it could make the numbers on SAE, but it actually made a couple less.

 

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02-22-2011 01:55 PM  
Very well done. Keep pushing the envelope.
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