JustinP10
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| 10-19-2010 07:13 PM |
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Since my SE-R got totaled last week, I've been looking for a replacement car in between doctor visits. So far I've looked at a few 05-06 mini cooper S's, 06 RSX Type S, Nissan Juke, and 2008 and 2010 mazdaspeed3s'. So far the 08 mazdaspeed3 is in the lead. It's about mid pack as far as price goes. It has good power and handling. Fit and finish seems good.
Anything big I'm missing? Anything I should look for, or look out for when shopping for one?
Thanks!
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yo vanilla
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| 10-20-2010 07:23 AM |
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As with any, watch out for any modding. Especially being a turbo car it's all too easy for anyone to throw a few random parts at the engine and screw things up. The lower motor mount is a weak design, the aftermarket has a stronger solution for about $100. Actually on my wife's Mazda6, the lower mount wore out. It didn't give much indication that it was bad; what happened was that it in turn stressed the passenger side mount until that failed, so I'd give both a look. |
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Sootfoot
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| 10-26-2010 07:18 AM |
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I was looking for some of the same cars on your list. I really liked the Speed3.
The minuses are few for that car IMO
- red seats and fake red carbon fiber is lame
- the "upgraded" Bose stereo will probably break and be rediciously expensive to fix
It's a really fun car but I ended up buying an 07 Civic SI because it cost less and fit the kids car seats and stuff a little bit better. I would have bought used but used turbo cars scare me. The general public has no idea how to properly shut down a turbo car. |
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yo vanilla
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| 10-29-2010 04:26 AM |
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Well to be fair about any modern OEM turbo car you can buy will have a watercooled turbo; as long as you aren't out flogging it at the track normal shut-down is plenty sufficient. It's a good point though, you'd still want your previous owner to be a little more particular about maintenance and operation with a car like this. |
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Sootfoot
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| 10-29-2010 11:40 AM |
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Posted By yo vanilla on 10-29-2010 06:26 AM
Well to be fair about any modern OEM turbo car you can buy will have a watercooled turbo; as long as you aren't out flogging it at the track normal shut-down is plenty sufficient. It's a good point though, you'd still want your previous owner to be a little more particular about maintenance and operation with a car like this.
Agreed.
I'm no doubt alone amongst the members here in trying to poach cream puff cars from owners who no longer need them.
One such car will be going up for sale very soon. |
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sr20boston
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| 11-03-2010 06:59 AM |
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I bought an '07 just about a year ago. Had 25k miles and I drove off with it for $15k out the door. It is my first non-SR20 car. I have since put 20k miles on it including a track day. I have had zero problems. The rear motor mount is DEFINITELY an issue and, in fact, is prone to tearing and is a TSB item that a dealer will replace for free. It's still a jello mount, and I replaced it with a street-friendly aftermarket unit. Aside from some minor annoyances that I have, HVAC behavior for example, I have been incredibly happy with the purchase. I got lucky, the previous owner was a nurse who commuted to the hospital every day. I would definitely be wary of enthusiast-owned ones unless it was someone I knew. Too many ways to mess up a car like this. Drop me a line any time if you have any other questions. |
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sr20boston
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| 11-10-2010 02:48 PM |
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Well this section is lively! |
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JustinP10
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| 11-10-2010 05:22 PM |
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Update: Looked at a 2008.5 grand touring model. The retarded dealer wanted about $2500 over retail book on the car and they weren't willing to budge a penny as their dealer offers "fair, no-haggle pricing". Their reasoning for the pricing was market availability adjustment. I laughed at them and walked. |
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Sootfoot
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| 11-10-2010 08:42 PM |
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Depending on where you live if you're willing to drive to Southern California the Mazda dealership in Carlsbad was willing to do a deal at MSRP.
I would also check the dealership in Huntington Beach. I could get you a contact person here. |
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yo vanilla
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| 11-11-2010 09:12 AM |
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If you're narrowed down to the car for sure, start hunting within a couple hundred mile radius on Autotrader.com, for instance, and call/email the parties. You're sure to find a few, and especially if you let them know you're a serious and capable buyer I'm sure one at least will work a fair deal with you. BTW I used to sell cars and while I really disliked many things about that, I did learn a lot. Much of which I have typed up actually, if you or anyone else wants to see let me know. |
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JustinP10
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| 11-11-2010 12:00 PM |
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Thanks for the info. I actually work for a large dealer group. We have a couple Mazda dealers in the chain, but none of them have any used/certified 08-09 Mazdaspeed3's in right now. I can get a 2010 or 2011 under invoice no problem, I just prefer the 08.5-09's over the 2010+ models. They seem to drive a little better and I like the older style interior, especially the grand touring model with the leather/alcantara interior. I've found quite a few in neighboring states, unfortunately, my back still isn't 100% from the accident and it complains when I have to sit for extended periods of time. |
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yo vanilla
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| 11-14-2010 05:04 PM |
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oh good, i have someone to make fun of car salesmen with . i like the old model better as well. since you're in a pinch and can't find another one, have you looked for one of your other choices? 09+ WRX, or GTI perhaps? |
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JustinP10
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| 11-15-2010 08:11 AM |
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Yeah, I hate car salesmen. There's a couple decent ones here, but most of them are scammers and we treat like garbage.
I've looked at a few RSX's and they were just too beat up. I found a few mini coopers, but they wanted over book for them, or they had lame interior colors. Not really feeling the newer WRX's, but I havent driven one yet. And most of the GTI's out here are auto, and I don't feel like dealing with that transmission for possible track days. Haven't found a clean, low mileage manual trans GTI fora decent price yet either.
I'm just being too picky I guess... haha |
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Sootfoot
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| 11-15-2010 12:13 PM |
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I personally like the 2011 WRX's with the wider fenders and the dual exhausts (functional or not) out of all the cars you mention. Funny enough all these car's have a reasonable resale value in the first couple years of ownership. In my findings WRX private party owners are the most un-realistic about their car's resale value stating something like "rare turbo-charged model"
The VW will be hard to beat in terms of exterior and interior fit and finish but the suspension is a little squishy and the car rides on the bumpstops when pushed hard.
Being a former SE-R guy I would think the speed3 would be a great step-up car for you if you still wanted FWD.
I didn't drive the RSX but I would assume it's similar to the Civic SI I purchased. The suspension and transmission are second to none in this class of cars.
I really wish car makers would realize that there's a big market for a sub 3,000lb car with RWD and 240 + hp. I needed more than two doors so the Miata and S2000 were out. Then I started looking at used BMW 330i's with the zhp package. The big reason I didn't end up going this route was the a higher expected cost of maintenance for a German car vs. Japanese. Of all things even a older Cadillac CTS-V was on the radar.
Forgive me for stating the completely obvious that all these cars have their pluses and minuses. |
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yo vanilla
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| 11-16-2010 03:39 AM |
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You know, since you've just been hurt in a car accident the WRX may be appealing in another way - Subaru is the best there is in crash ratings - on all of their models too. VW's rate very good as well. Mazdas are pretty good, but only if equipped with side airbags - otherwise the side crash is pretty poor. Something to think about  |
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trailbrake2088
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| 11-20-2010 06:13 PM |
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I know scoffing will commence, but i really like the 2009 spec v sentra just throwing it out there. |
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JustinP10
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| 11-22-2010 07:50 AM |
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GET OUT OF THIS THREAD!!! lol j/k. I just don't like how large they've become... The wheelbase has grown, overall dimensions have grown and the weight is just north of 3000 pounds now too. It's really too bad, because I've enjoyed my other sentras and G20s qute a bit too. |
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trailbrake2088
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| 11-24-2010 04:48 PM |
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But dey hava dey torque! lol Yeah but for some reason everyone loves the new civic si which is similar weight and similar handling ( from skidpads and what I have read ), but everyone hates on the spec. Be carefull with vw and audi's from what I understand they are fragile little guys that are exspensive to maintain. A big shocker if you are coming off of an sr20. Screw it just get the 2011 GTR haha. |
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Sootfoot
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| 11-25-2010 07:26 AM |
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Most car models seem to have grown in size and unfortunately weight. The thing I find unforgivable for Spec-V is that over the years Nissan has killed the fun to drive factor.
Years ago I was invited to a BFGoodrich/Nissan track day with 350z's, Altima's and Sentra Spec-V's in three different stages stock, stage 1 Nismo parts and stage 2 Nismo parts. The stock Spec-V was competent around the track but other than the rock hard brake pedal from the Brembo brakes there was nothing from the drivers seat that made me feel it was a special "performance" car. The Spec-V was out classed and out gunned by every other car other than the 4 cylinder Altima. Ironically behind the wheel of the Nismo stage 2 Spec-V with cams, suspension, headers, exhaust and intake the car was a total gem. The stage 2 Spec-V had no problem blowing away the stage 2 350z on the short streets of willow road course. My hat was off to the NISMO crew for all the awesome parts.
web.archive.org/web/20070711102128/...st05/rush/ (be paitent the internet archive is slow)
There's no denying the fun we all get by modifying cars but the Sentra keeps getting worse in terms of how many aftermarket parts are needed to redeem the car. The Civic Si or Mazda Speed3 despite getting fatter still feel like enthusiast cars. When I drive a stock Spec-V it really feels like driving the same 4 cylinder that's in the Altima. When you describe how a car "feels" its not really tangible and pretty subjective. But I'm certainly not alone in my beliefs as the Spec-V doesn't even make it into the magazines anymore because its been unchanged and really brushed off by everyone including Nissan. |
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supergoji
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| 11-25-2010 08:08 PM |
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i hate the torque steer of the MS3, i've driven a modded Spec V before and it was a fun peppy easier car to drive than the MS3. however, i think you should steer clear of the FWD if you want REAL performance. if you want to stay mazda, get an RX8 and throw a well organized turbo kit on it. |
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