RCVD
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| 03-05-2010 06:14 AM |
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www.atlantic-championship.com/index.php
So if you haven't already heard, formula atlantic will not be running this year. Thats just great... more unemployment for everyone. I wonder which series is next.  |
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Horsewidower
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| 03-05-2010 07:24 AM |
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Open wheel is all but dead in the US. It absolutely sucks that we can't have professional open-wheel racing here. The IRL is next. |
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Mark_F
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| 03-05-2010 07:38 AM |
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Yep. This was my primary area of support. |
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Robbie
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| 03-05-2010 12:29 PM |
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Posted By Horsewidower on 03-05-2010 09:24 AM
Open wheel is all but dead in the US. It absolutely sucks that we can't have professional open-wheel racing here.
The IRL is next.
There's three other successful open wheel feeder series in the US that are at the level of Atlantic. I don't think open wheel is dead in the US. The IndyCar is at its low ebb, and this economic turndown couldn't have come at a worse time for them. I do think they will come back. Once they get rid of the current chassis/engine combo and move to something better I think interest will start to come back.
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eric
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| 03-06-2010 08:02 AM |
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FA gone sucks big time. Who wants to buy a Formula Atlantic YDX 300hp engine? |
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RCVD
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| 03-06-2010 10:21 AM |
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Posted By Mark on 03-05-2010 09:38 AM
Yep. This was my primary area of support.
Ahh that sucks, hopefully they move you someplace else like f1. You could always do support for usf1..... o wait, nevermind.... their dead too...
Horsewidower- Star Mazda is still around |
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Horsewidower
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| 03-08-2010 08:24 AM |
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Gentlemen, my point is not that there aren't other feeder series. Open wheel in the US is predominantly non-spectator events with pay drivers. Nobody watches and they are run predominately to separate the eager and hopeful wannabe F1 racer from his wallet. Or as an ego boost to the doctor/lawyer set. Nothing worng with that, its just the way it is. Hell, even F1 is beset with a large portion of its drivers as pay to play. My lament has more to do with the lack of public interest and the inability of accomplished drivers to make a living doing it. Bob |
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eric
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| 03-08-2010 10:55 PM |
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Posted By Horsewidower on 03-08-2010 10:24 AM
Gentlemen, my point is not that there aren't other feeder series. Open wheel in the US is predominantly non-spectator events with pay drivers. Nobody watches and they are run predominately to separate the eager and hopeful wannabe F1 racer from his wallet. Or as an ego boost to the doctor/lawyer set. Nothing worng with that, its just the way it is. Hell, even F1 is beset with a large portion of its drivers as pay to play.
My lament has more to do with the lack of public interest and the inability of accomplished drivers to make a living doing it.
Bob
Bob, when you mention the ego boosting doctor/lawyer set, that reminds me of World Challenge and their ready to run Porsche cup cars. They are definitely nice cars, but basically a bunch of "gentleman drivers".
Formula Atlantic was always cool because it was the FASTEST of the feeder series. Hell at Mid-Ohio, the FA cars would have smoked some of the big IRL cars and were way faster than the Indy Lights cars. Here's a cut and paste I got from an email last year:
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Atlantics on par with IndyCars UPDATE The spreadsheet below shows the qualifying lap times for IndyCars, Indy Lights and Atlantic cars ranked by speed at Mid-Ohio. It is pretty sad to see that 10 out of the 13 Atlantics are faster than Milka Duno and she barely squeezes ahead of the Indy Lights polesitter. Jeff Biggs [Editor's Note: Recall in testing the 2007 Panoz Champ Car was in the low 1 minute range at Mid-Ohio and typically the Panoz Champ Car was 10 seconds per lap faster than an Atlantic Car.]
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Car #
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Driver
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Lap Time
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Lap Speed
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IndyCar
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6
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Ryan Briscoe
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1:06.6814
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121.905
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IndyCar
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18
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Justin Wilson
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1:06.7007
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121.87
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IndyCar
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9
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Scott Dixon
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1:07.0238
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121.282
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IndyCar
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02
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Graham Rahal
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1:07.0640
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121.21
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IndyCar
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3
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Helio Castroneves
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1:07.1809
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120.999
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IndyCar
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14
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Ryan Hunter-Reay
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1:07.2364
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120.899
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IndyCar
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10
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Dario Franchitti
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1:07.3791
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120.643
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IndyCar
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11
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Tony Kanaan
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1:07.5083
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120.412
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IndyCar
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13
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EJ Viso
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1:07.5712
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120.3
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IndyCar
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5
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Paul Tracy
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1:07.6129
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120.226
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IndyCar
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27
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Hideki Mutoh
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1:07.6699
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120.124
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IndyCar
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7
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Danica Patrick
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1:07.7440
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119.993
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IndyCar
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26
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Marco Andretti
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1:08.1779
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119.229
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IndyCar
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2
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Raphael Matos
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1:08.2311
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119.136
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IndyCar
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06
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Oriol Servia
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1:08.4314
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118.788
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IndyCar
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24
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Mike Conway
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1:08.5495
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118.583
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IndyCar
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33
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Robert Doornbos
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1:08.5734
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118.542
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IndyCar
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4
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Dan Wheldon
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1:08.8176
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118.121
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IndyCar
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98
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Richard Antinucci
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1:08.8516
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118.063
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IndyCar
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20
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Ed Carpenter
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1:09.7141
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116.602
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Atlantics
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34
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Jonathan Summerton
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1:12.970
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111.399
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Atlantics
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36
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John Edwards
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1:13.150
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111.125
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Atlantics
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78
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Simona De Silvestro
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1:13.243
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110.984
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Atlantics
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6
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Borja Garcia
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1:13.384
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110.771
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Atlantics
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1
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Markus Niemela
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1:13.849
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110.073
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Atlantics
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17
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Frederic Vervisch
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1:13.857
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110.061
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Atlantics
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77
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Frankie Muniz
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1:14.040
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109.789
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Atlantics
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35
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Tonis Kasemets
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1:14.102
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109.697
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Atlantics
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18
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James Winslow
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1:14.187
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109.572
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IndyCar
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23
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Milka Duno
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1:14.5371
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109.057
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Indy Lights
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21
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James Davison
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1:14.8673
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108.576
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Indy Lights
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7
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James Hinchcliffe
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1:15.1451
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108.175
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Indy Lights
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26
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J.R. Hildebrand
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1:15.1490
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108.169
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Indy Lights
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5
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Mario Romancini
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1:15.1639
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108.148
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Atlantics
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7
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Max Lefevre
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1:15.243
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108.034
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Indy Lights
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37
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Richard Philippe
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1:15.5229
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107.634
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Indy Lights
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28
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Daniel Herrington
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1:15.6569
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107.443
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Indy Lights
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11
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Wade Cunningham
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1:15.8078
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107.229
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Indy Lights
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15
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Martin Plowman
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1:16.0135
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106.939
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Indy Lights
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29
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Felipe Guimaraes
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1:16.1953
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106.684
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Indy Lights
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27
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Sebastian Saavedra
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1:16.4250
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106.363
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Indy Lights
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2
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Andrew Prendeville
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1:16.4424
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106.339
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Indy Lights
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35
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Charlie Kimball
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1:16.5875
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106.137
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Indy Lights
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44
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Gustavo Yacaman
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1:16.8226
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105.813
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Indy Lights
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20
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Ana Beatriz
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1:16.9416
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105.649
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Indy Lights
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9
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Ali Jackson
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1:16.9498
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105.638
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Indy Lights
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24
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Mike Potekhen
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1:17.3678
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105.067
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Indy Lights
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19
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Stefan Wilson
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1:17.5609
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104.805
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Indy Lights
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16
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Pippa Mann
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1:17.9514
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104.28
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Atlantics
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80
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Hans Peter
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1:17.997
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104.219
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Atlantics
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71
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Michael Mallinen
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1:20.611
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100.84
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Indy Lights
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55
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Rodrigo Barbosa
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1:23.0153
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97.919
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Atlantics
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88
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Mirl Swan
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No Time
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No Speed
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08/07/09 In Atlantic Series qualifying today Jonathan Summerton clocked the fastest lap at 1m12.970s. John Edwards was 2nd at 1m13.150s. The IndyCars were generally faster, 1m08.2s for Scott Dixon being the fastest, but Summerton and Edwards were both faster than Milka Duno’s IndyCar time of 1m15.8764s, and nearly as fast as Richard Antinucci's 1m12.5210s.
And you wonder why Tony George didn't want to pick up the Atlantic Series when he bought Champ Car? They would have embarrassed the Indy Lights cars and on occasion embarrassed some IndyCar drivers. |
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Mark_F
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| 03-09-2010 05:59 AM |
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Atlantics were faster than Lights at Edmonton and faster than the slowest IRL cars. However, the Atl cars were slower than the Lights at Long beach due to the street circuit layout being a point and shoot where horsepower is rewarded as opposed to high speed sweepers at mid o and edmonton. BTW, that chart is slightly skewed because of weather conditions, The Lights DID have dry track and were still slower on race day. The Atlantics cars are great though. All involved are seriously bummed or out of a job! =( the Swift 016.a was the newest open wheel car in the top five or six series. 1995 was the last great year. And this is not because of my bias. I will say however that the series is doing a lot better and making moves to become a great series in the future. My future consists of IRL, ALMS, Star Mazda, and Nascar and all the other things we get thrown into. Sebring is first. Eric, Time attack needs some support too right? =) See you all at the track. |
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smartbomb
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| 03-09-2010 06:32 AM |
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I hope NASCAR dies. Did you guys see the thing on the new last night on how the officials are encouraging contact and off the track conflicts resulting in on track incidents to help drive ticket sales? I wonder if thats true or typical media hype? |
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Horsewidower
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| 03-09-2010 01:07 PM |
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Posted By Mike Kojima on 03-09-2010 08:32 AM
I hope NASCAR dies. Did you guys see the thing on the new last night on how the officials are encouraging contact and off the track conflicts resulting in on track incidents to help drive ticket sales? I wonder if thats true or typical media hype?
X2
And yes its true.
But it ain't going to die. The number of open-wheel guys (including F1) who are now trying to make it good there is unfortunate. Yet another canary in the coal mine singing about the decline of roadracing and open wheel racing in the U.S. Bummer. |
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Mark_F
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| 03-10-2010 01:07 PM |
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I think we are all in a big slump at the moment, however I see everyone involved behind the scenes pulling for good road racing. As for nascar and all professional racing, it is entertainment first and foremost. Without tv and sponsors wanting tv time and exposure, there would be no racing. Although that sucks, it is the truth. We can just hope for pushes back to what the real fans want and i think that you will see that. Or, we all at least hope for that. I know IRL is sort of starting with a blank slate, with the economy, it is all starting at the base level and can only go up from here. ALMS seems to be doing okay and is really a hotbed for technology and great series. Keep your head up and look to the future. |
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RCVD
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| 03-16-2010 01:21 PM |
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Posted By Mike Kojima on 03-09-2010 08:32 AM
I hope NASCAR dies. Did you guys see the thing on the new last night on how the officials are encouraging contact and off the track conflicts resulting in on track incidents to help drive ticket sales? I wonder if thats true or typical media hype?
Posted By Mark on 03-10-2010 03:07 PM
As for nascar and all professional racing, it is entertainment first and foremost. Without tv and sponsors wanting tv time and exposure, there would be no racing. Although that sucks, it is the truth.
Sooo true unfortunately. Here's part of a quote form Mr Ecclestone in regards to the lack of passing last weekend in Bahrain "I had a meeting witht the teams and tried to explain to them what our business is about- racing and entertaining the public. It's not about playing with computers and going fast over one lap."
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Mark_F
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| 03-20-2010 07:59 AM |
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You know what though, I will say that i am VERY impressed with ALMS and the way the racing is. The passing is phenomenal and even though we all know who will win sebring, there are loads of people here, because it is an event. And each car is trying to do 12 hours and do it quickly. the GT battle for the first 2 hours has been HOT! |
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spdracerut
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| 03-21-2010 06:04 PM |
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ALMS has some really good 'headline' battles that make it interesting; Audi-Peugeot being the big one. And the GT class is just nuts! Ferrari-BMW-Vettes! |
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trailbrake2088
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| 04-06-2010 10:46 AM |
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Why do they try to forcefeed us Nascrap Its awful ,boring and undermines everything racing is about i.e technology and driver skill. In other words evolution , not mid 60's technology and beer guts. |
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Mark_F
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| 04-10-2010 03:30 PM |
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Because it is american racing and they have done the entertainment part correct apparently. ECUs are coming soon to Nascar. Also, the pointers and everything you see on the TV....yeah, that is probably the most advanced TV Telemetry in the world. Highly technical. |
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