DaewooOfDeath
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| 10-09-2011 05:52 AM |
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By the way, KJ. For me it's danger.  |
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kj
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| 10-09-2011 07:28 PM |
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Daewoo I think the biggest thing I took from autocross was learning to wait on the car in transition and not forcing it. Still not a big left foot brake guy except on an oval track
"i didn't really "ask"
Sorry Lessendz question mark at end of sentence threw me off. |
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Lessendz
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| 10-10-2011 03:16 AM |
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Posted By DaewooOfDeath on 10-09-2011 07:45 AM
Trail braking, proper lines, car placement, throttle control, getting all your inputs right on the first try ... I'd say that last one is the biggest. The only thing missing is high speed.
very nice idea's.. realize these will change as you progress as a driver..
try to ask yourself... are you more interested in getting it Right/Perfect on your First try?
or are you more interested in experiencing & correcting errors quickly on your attempts?
let the Experienced drivers worry about perfection..
inexperienced drivers should concern themselves with error correction..
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Lessendz
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| 10-10-2011 03:48 AM |
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Posted By kj on 10-09-2011 09:28 PM
Daewoo I think the biggest thing I took from autocross was learning to wait on the car in transition and not forcing it. Still not a big left foot brake guy except on an oval track
"i didn't really "ask"
Sorry Lessendz question mark at end of sentence threw me off.
no apology needed i'm just playin round... =)
i could never Wait for a car in transition if Lil orange cones were the Only consequences..
already tried to adjust the Loose Nut behind the wheel... it hasn't helped =(
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DaewooOfDeath
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| 10-10-2011 06:57 AM |
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Posted By Lessendz on 10-10-2011 05:16 AM try to ask yourself... are you more interested in getting it Right/Perfect on your First try?
or are you more interested in experiencing & correcting errors quickly on your attempts?
I was really talking about avoiding the bad habit a lot of drivers have for turning in early and then nibbling at corner entry. You can sort of get away with this on a road course (it will kill your lap time, but if you have a powerful car that gets lost) but if you do it in an autocross you could very well end up losing to a Corolla on snow tires in your slick shod F40 - a little something I experienced personally. Throw in longer straight aways and it stops mattering how bad Mr. Ferrari sucks, which I think is the primary advantage autocross has over un-classed track days. The only thing it lacks is that feeling of danger, which brings me to this ...
I want perfection. The sooner the better. Or more accurately, I want the feeling of perfection. I want to drift the rear just a tad into a 110 mph s-turn and kiss the rumble strips, I want to go over a crest and land the car in a four wheel drift, I want to pass BMWs around the outside in a 85 mph sweeper in my Daewoo. I want to feel time slow down to the point where all that remains is the sound of the engine, the stress moving through the chassis, my own breathing and the utter ruthlessness of the stopwatch. I love seeing concrete and retaining walls and feeling the speed and conquering that fear so thoroughly there's nothing but a psychotic grin left over.
I think there's a rally or two in my future ... |
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DaewooOfDeath
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| 10-10-2011 07:01 AM |
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I only left foot brake if I'm going to be in the same gear for a long time. Don't know if that's right, but I usually try to flick my way out understeer before I use left foot braking. |
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kj
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| 10-10-2011 12:30 PM |
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For myself I just never felt comfortable switching between left and right foot braking on one lap. It's a rhythm thing for me. Although I will say I have used light left foot braking when there's a high speed turn I want/need to settle the front end down but not let off the throttle like turn 12 at Road Atlanta. |
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DaewooOfDeath
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| 10-11-2011 07:00 AM |
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For a front wheel drive car, I guess I don't understand how the front contact patch would know the difference between letting off the throttle a little and left footl braking. |
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BoxedFox
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| 10-11-2011 07:17 AM |
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The difference is in the speed and amount of load transfer that takes place. If you left foot brake with the throttle down, it slows the car and gives you more headroom in the front end without moving much load forward. If you let off the gas, you get a lot more forward load transfer and the car might go into more of an oversteery mode. |
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kj
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| 10-11-2011 10:05 AM |
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Daewoo in light applications it might not be too noticeable at all, in higher speeds when your foot is planted on the throttle and you hit the brakes for a brief moment there's a torque effect that transfers weight to the front end but also squats the back end at the same time to a lesser amount.
Each car is different and each corner is different and how the car reacts to breathing the throttle vs. braking is dependent on so many things like engine braking itself is the track going uphill, level or downhill, is there banking, is it flt or off camber, how big are the brakes how much rear bias is the car running etc etc.
In a car with a rotary engine or low compression turbo car which has very little engine braking letting off the throttle does very little so you may find you have to brake the car a bit to get the weight transfer you're looking for, if you're driving a full race gt car with massive compression a brief lift of the throttle may be all that's needed to get the required results
All in all you experiment and do what's faster or more comfortable for you. Usually you'll find that if it's more comfortable it's also quicker but that's not always the case. |
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| 10-13-2011 08:01 PM |
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Posted By kj on 10-07-2011 11:28 AM
My problem with autocross was always the down time, I grew up with road racing, my stepfather raced Porsches so from 5 years old and onward I was a real track rat, I myself had raced motocross before I turned to cars and autocross was just too much waiting around for the 60 second burst of fun. Plus I like to tinker on the car and autocross really didn't afford that opportunity to tinker at the track. Well I guess you could tinker but with no real track time tinkering might dial you out just as easy as it might make an improvement
But like I said it has it's place and fills a void that allows people to enjoy driving cars that they might not be able to do otherwise.
Oh and Mike I wasn't comparing autocross to shifter karts just making an observation that they both keep the driver incredibly busy in the seat.
I don't like the down time and chasing cones. I hate the small amount of track time you get for the amount of time you are not doing anything but waiting or chasing cones.
About age, I am almost 50 and havent driven in 6 years, yet I am faster than I was, at least until I tried drifting and am now all messed up. |
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DaGou
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| 04-09-2012 09:01 AM |
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I am a 50+ year old and a newbie so you guys really depress me! Reflexes are all relative. When your old you are not as fast as you were but you can still be faster than someone else, older or younger. Same is true for smarts, no matter how old people get they still can be dumber than shit. Point is you can be young dumb and slow as well as old smart and fast, there is no corner on the market in any mix. I know I am not going to be a pro or national or regional champ. I will probably never have the fastest time of the day! Should I quit and not start cause I am old... I do not think so! I can still have fun driving my S2000 like I stole it! I can still have fun modding, and tuning and tweating. I can still drink beer with one hand and have a wrench in the other. I can still get out of the house and meet all sorts of people who love cars. You know of all the people I have met AutoXing no one has blown me off as being to old, at least not to my face. And as you all said above AutoX is better than nothing, we all can't live in SoCal with a have dozen race tracks a few hours away. If lived somewhere that the average vehicle was not a Ford 150 and every person who saw my car did not call it a Miata I would think AutoX sucks too. |
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