Coors75
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| 01-31-2012 07:39 AM |
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Posted By Mike Kojima on 01-26-2012 09:05 AM
Talk to Odi Bakchis at Feals suspension, chances are he can get your cheapo Megans to work much better. He revalves and dyno tunes crappy coilovers for a moderate fee.
Does anyone know if he rebuilds buddy club coilovers the s13 I just bought came with a set which need to be rebuilt/revalved or I need new suspension. Obviously if Feals suspension can revalve my BClub dampers it it would be much more affordable (I sent them an email so I will be able to answer this soon hopefully)
How does the kw V2 compare to a koni/gc setup? the guys on Nissan road racing seem to swear by the koni setup. The other half seem to be all for bilstein inserts. One guy put bilsteins in buddy club coilovers so I guess that is an option. My new project is replacing my nx2000 in terms of track dut/ summer car eventually so suspension is important to me but my max funding for dampers would be 2000-2500 as I need adj camber arms/ and inner and outer tie rods as well. looking at spl for everything except tein inners as that is freq. recommended.
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smartbomb
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| 01-31-2012 10:13 PM |
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Spend the money and get V3's or CLubsports. |
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BoxedFox
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| 01-31-2012 11:19 PM |
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Posted By corey on 01-31-2012 09:39 AM
Posted By Mike Kojima on 01-26-2012 09:05 AM
Talk to Odi Bakchis at Feals suspension, chances are he can get your cheapo Megans to work much better. He revalves and dyno tunes crappy coilovers for a moderate fee.
How does the kw V2 compare to a koni/gc setup? the guys on Nissan road racing seem to swear by the koni setup. The other half seem to be all for bilstein inserts. One guy put bilsteins in buddy club coilovers so I guess that is an option. My new project is replacing my nx2000 in terms of track dut/ summer car eventually so suspension is important to me but my max funding for dampers would be 2000-2500 as I need adj camber arms/ and inner and outer tie rods as well. looking at spl for everything except tein inners as that is freq. recommended.
For a road racing application, revalved cheapo coilovers (all but the completely hopeless ones) tend to work a lot better than OTS Konis or Bilstein HDs. If you don't have the money to get new equipment and get the valving set up, just have a good shock builder work on your Buddy Clubs.
If you have the money, Mike's suggestion is the way to go. It's so much easier to set up dampers when you're working with nicer hardware. |
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Coors75
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| 02-01-2012 05:10 PM |
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I can get 8611 front 8610 rear koni setp fot $1700, the kw v3 for the same and feals says they can rebuild and revalve the buddy clubs no problem (ps buddy clubs are meant to be one of the better jdm coilovers, not that taht says a whole lot). That would cost $500.
Would the v3 really be 3x better than the revalves? Sorry Mike I know it is probably just my ignorance but you did reccommend Feals so I assume he is good and if I can even get 70% of the v3 performance for 33%of te cost that works for me as I need some suspension arms too.
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BoxedFox
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| 02-01-2012 06:23 PM |
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Remmeber to factor in valving and setup costs for the 8611/8601. They're ok dampers, but they don't work well unless you set them up for your application. It's also worth mentioning that newer "JDM" coilovers really aren't bad at all in terms of shock hardware. They're not race dampers by any means but it's a far cry from what the dyno loving armchair shock engineer crowd thinks they are. I haven't worked on Buddy Club coilovers myself, but given what I have seen and worked on, I'm willing to wager there's enough headroom in there to match or beat an 8611/8610 kit on a road course. |
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Coors75
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| 02-01-2012 06:31 PM |
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the 8611's would be coming withe 550 front and 400 rear springs they were valved for. I would be getting them from a legit guy on nissanroadracing.
Feals definitely implies he can match almost anything out there and i can get swift springs from him for $380.so say $900 total
The racing spec damper is a 1700 dollar damperoriginally but if miker says the kw are the best in this price range I believe him I'd just like to know how close I can get the revalve route as it is half the cost as I am re using parts. Then again kw has more adjustability! |
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Coors75
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| 02-01-2012 06:47 PM |
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I am willing to take the plunge and take mike's advice and buy the kw v3's He is always harping on us nissan guys for being cheap and he is right (especially us b13 owners thugh I think us nx guys spend more on our cars). The s13 is so much more capable and I want to be one of VERY few people anywhere near my lcall with a well setup grip s13. However, I am concerned about the ride height not being independantly adjustable, is this a major issue?
Now spring rates! 450/350 is fairly common but many say less than 550/450-400 is too soft for track use. Any input? This car will see street use but is less of a dd than my nx is/will be. |
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smartbomb
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| 02-02-2012 08:18 AM |
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Dai Yoshihara's S13 does not have independent ride height adjustment! So no you don't need it. 8 kg front 6 kg rear is a good base starting point. |
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Coors75
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| 02-02-2012 08:01 PM |
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Yeah but does Dai have my mad teyit Driftz skills yo!?
well they are in my top 2 choices now, however the fact that they won't warranty the v3 if you use camber plates it a putoff. Then again konis is custom housing don't either, it just seems odd though. |
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smartbomb
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| 02-03-2012 08:49 PM |
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That seems odd because clubsports have camber plates. |
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Coors75
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| 02-04-2012 05:31 PM |
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My understanding from my 'research' is the the clubsports are essentially the same as the v3 KW's but with higher spring rates (which I would want for may application (and you reccommend) , valving to match and the camber plates. I have heard that the main price diff between the two is the camber plates which apparently cost $700 if bought seperately (heresy admittidly). With all the 'crap' on the market i guess they don"t want to risk warranty on other companies products functioning properly with theirs.
Another plus in my books for KW is check out the Bergrennen hill climb videos on you tube and see how many guys are running their stuff! |
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smartbomb
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| 02-06-2012 03:32 PM |
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Yes, the differences are the camber plates, spring rates and valving. |
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Big J
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| 02-09-2012 09:22 AM |
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BC racing.
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Slickshoes
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| 02-11-2012 06:39 PM |
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look at like the BC or megans. they run 6-800 a set.buy em used if you can. then IMMEDIATELY send them to FEAL suspension for a respring and a revalve. its like 300 for the whole set. and they are a pretty solid entry level set up http://www.rallyracingsuspension.com/. they work for odi who made rookie of the year in FD this season. |
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Big J
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Slickshoes
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| 02-12-2012 12:49 PM |
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out of the box? heck no. after being rebuilt by feal? they are decient. although your probably better off just buying the Feals direct from them. |
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