smartbomb
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| 11-28-2009 08:18 PM |
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It will help but more negative will help more! |
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GCMBob
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| 11-29-2009 01:31 PM |
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Well after doing 10 runs on the course at about 2m:20s the car feels really good. i set the tire pressures to 32 hot after the first run and left it like that. I tightened up the front shocks to 20 and the rears to 17 and that seemed to work very well. It took a while to get used to it and it will take a while longer stil i think. Honestly i think the way the bck is stepping out i dont want to add too much more grip to the front. More caster wil definately help in the lower speed cornners especially. Tire wear looks pretty good. In the off season i going to try and get the quick steer sorted to make that a bit nicer and get some solid steering rack mounts made. I may soften up the rear sway bar a bit but i dont think ill mess with that yet. When i get some pics ill post them up. my Yardstick for my performance was a heavily modified Sti on R888s that i work on and his best time was 2:17 to my 2:18 so i think once i can drive the car a bit better ill be okay. Thanks for the help. |
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smartbomb
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| 11-29-2009 03:45 PM |
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I think you can experiment with rear camber, on FR cars its always a trade off between mid turn speed and exit speed. More camber might help you mid turn but hurt you on exit and exit speed is usually where things are won. Where in the corner is the rear end stepping out? What throttle and brake condition?
You can also play with rear toe a little as well as the rear bar. What sort of diff are you running? This can be adjusted as well. I am asking these things because you very rarely have too much front grip on an FR car! |
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GCMBob
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| 11-29-2009 04:05 PM |
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I am running the stock helical diff that comes with the car. I am loving the way the car moves around right now and comes out of the corners with some actual grip to be honest. I need to get my FR driving down a bit more because ive only been racing FR about a year so i know there is more i can eek out of this setup before i need to tweek it too much more. |
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GCMBob
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GCMBob
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| 01-10-2010 04:41 PM |
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Ok here is one for you guys. I stripped out some wireing from the car and gutted the doors and took a few more things off and dropped an additional 30 lbs out of the car. One area i could lose some weight is the gas tank. From factork the tank is very well chambered and baffled so it never has issues with surge. below is a picture of a spare tank. It weighs 40lbs.

as you can see it is a hump tank. I was thinking why not cut it in half and lose half the weight? I never use that much gas anyway.
Here is a pic of my current weights with me in it of course. the cross weight is pretty decent as i havent tuned it yet.

This gives me a 50.6% cross weight.
To get a closer aproximation of what cutting half the weight off would be in terms of weight distribution i added a 20 lb weight right over the area that i would be losing weight and whatever it increased the corner weights by, i would subtract from the above numbers.
In the end it gives me a drop of .1 from the cross weight and drops 20 lbs. I also have a stoptech setup coming for the front that will drop an aditional 20lbs from the front and give me a 50.5 cross weight and a 55f 45r split.
Is cutting the gastank in half something i sould bother with? If so are there anythings i should look out for before i blow myslef up?
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GCMBob
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| 01-12-2010 03:46 PM |
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Did some more research and ran a few more numbers. I think this is probably a decent idea. After cleaning out the tank it seems you should back purge the tank with Argon or some other ineart gas so it doesent go kablewiy as gas fumes tend to linger forever in the tank and come out of the pores when heated.
Anyone know if i need to keep that vent valve on the top? i dont have emitions on the car and would think the overflow (small pipe) would take care of any spill over. |
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smartbomb
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| 01-12-2010 04:06 PM |
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Steve Mitchell cut his saddle style gas tank in half on his 350z time attack car. I think his fabricator filled the tank part with water then back purged it with argon or something. |
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GCMBob
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| 01-17-2010 11:23 AM |
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Ive gone ahead and cut the tank and have a fabricator with experience welding tanks going to weld it up for me.

Another place ive seen people save weight is they cut the under skeleton out of a CF hood. It seems to me that the under sceleton doesent even touch the top layer and it only really helps in twisting stiffness. Anyone have any insight into this?
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smartbomb
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| 01-17-2010 12:27 PM |
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I would not do it, the hood could end up balloning upward. I have seen this happen. |
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GCMBob
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| 01-17-2010 12:32 PM |
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Fair enough, going to look into getting some FRP flared fenders from chargespeed or something. Mine are a little hefty with the Flares on them. need to save up a few $$ though.
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GCMBob
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| 01-27-2010 12:42 PM |
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got my bumpteers correction/ RCA/ Quicksteer ball joints installed.

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GCMBob
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| 02-24-2010 02:00 AM |
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finished up most things but have to get the car aligned cause my inside man is away next week. So i threw the car on the scales and after basically setting the car to even ride heights l to r i got this with me in it. Not too bad for my first time. I lost 100lbs out of the car so far. The front brakes will lose another 20lbs off the front if i ever get them. Also i took a pic of what my front control arm looks like now nice and level and the tie rod is at a slight downward ange now so i think the front will act a little different now...roll less maybe or something. Also the RCA' gave me another .5degree of camber so im up to 3 in the front. Im going to have to spend some time learing how to string and lighten the front of the car some more cause im not overly happy with the F/R now. MIKE! we need a proper article on how to setup strings for your car. |
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GCMBob
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| 02-24-2010 02:00 AM |
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finished up most things but have to get the car aligned cause my inside man is away next week. So i threw the car on the scales and after basically setting the car to even ride heights l to r i got this with me in it. Not too bad for my first time. I lost 100lbs out of the car so far. The front brakes will lose another 20lbs off the front if i ever get them. Also i took a pic of what my front control arm looks like now nice and level and the tie rod is at a slight downward ange now so i think the front will act a little different now...roll less maybe or something. Also the RCA' gave me another .5degree of camber so im up to 3 in the front. Im going to have to spend some time learing how to string and lighten the front of the car some more cause im not overly happy with the F/R now. MIKE! we need a proper article on how to setup strings for your car. |
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GCMBob
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| 03-02-2010 04:33 PM |
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I had a race this past weekend and im pretty happy with the way things panned out. The quick steer worked great and the front end grip was awsome. i ran the tires at 30 psi cold and they were prety responsive in the front. Are RA1s not very good for launching off the line? i was spinning them out of the gate like crazy. maybe i need a bit more anti lift in the rear. For the next race i think i will soften the rear swaybar and see if i can get the rear to follow the front a bit more. The gastank worked out pretty well but i had to put in more gas after the first run cause i was getting surge with the little bit of gass i had in the right 180 handbrake turns. Added 2 gallons and it ran fine for the rest of the night. Next on the list is the solid steering rack bushings which i think will compliment the ball joint nicely, and later an adjustable caster arm. For right now ill work with what i have. |
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smartbomb
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| 03-02-2010 06:25 PM |
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RA1's don't launch well. |
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GCMBob
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| 03-03-2010 01:59 AM |
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oh well im going to R888's in a couple of months anyway hopefully the have a bit more forward grip |
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GCMBob
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| 03-04-2010 05:06 PM |
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ive been tossing up wheather i should get these

they are ikeya formula and will give me more caster. the car really doesent self center well as Mike predicted but i dont really need it to either. hmmm. at 58,000 Yen it isnt a cheap buy.
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spdracerut
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| 03-04-2010 08:21 PM |
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Great to see the progress on your car!!! As for the Ikeya Formula parts.... I think I'd hold off if you don't need them. |
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smartbomb
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| 03-05-2010 08:19 AM |
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I think you need them, caster is helpful and so is self steer. Coming from a road racing background, I was trained to always hold the wheel. Once I started hanging around with drifters, I was horrified to learn that they let go of the wheel all the time. However, ever since I experimented with caster steering like a drifter, I have never spun out even after getting stupid sideways. |
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