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Tested: RSR's Ran Up Oil Treatment, Power in a Bottle

By Mike Kojima

"Mike, MotoIQ has to try our Ran-Up oil treatment", RS-R's John Masuda would say to me every time I saw him over the past year.  "It gives you 5-12 more whp in our testing and I really want you to try it".  Yeah right I would think.  Sounds too good to be true.

Not wanting to test something we didn't think would work we had to wait for John to show up one day at our office door with a box full of Ran-Up oil treatment.  "Try it", he insisted, "you can try it on your dyno or our dyno".  Our friends pro drivers Ken Gushi and Dai Yoshihara had tried the stuff and told us they could feel the difference.

First we should probably explain what Ran-Up is.  It is an oil additive with an unusual constitution.  It is a 0-20w synthetic oil full of ceramic nano particles that act like billions of miniature ball bearings in your engine.

The particles are so tiny they pass right through your oil filter and stay suspended in the oil.  The particles are very small, hard and very round.  They work exactly like tiny ball bearings to reduce friction, metal to metal contact, vibration and greatly reduce wear.  These properties also improve power and fuel economy.

The easiest mod ever!  Just pour it in and drive 30 minutes. Project GD STI is the first test dummy for Ran-Up in the MotoIQ fleet mostly because we had just changed the oil.  Ran up should make a difference in this engine but it usually makes a bigger difference in engines that have more friction like ones with more cylinders and diesels.

Using Ran-Up is as easy as simply pouring it into your crankcase and checking to make sure your oil is not overfilled.  One bottle of Ran-Up treats up to 8 quarts of any kind of motor oil, synthetic or mineral.  Ran-Up works on all 4 stroke, rotary and diesel engines.  RS-R warned us not to try it in two strokes which bummed us out because we race karts and scooters and we were eager to try it in those small high revving engines.  RS-R also warned us not to use Ran-Up in anything other than the engine's crank case, this means don't put it into transmissions or differentials.

Ran-Up's benefits become apparent after the car is driven for about 30 miles, which allows enough time to burnish the nano particles into the metal and will still be present after an oil change although its effectiveness may be reduced.

To give Ran-Up a quick and dirty test, we first decided to put it into our Project GD STI mostly because we had just changed the oil with brand new Moble One 0w40 in the crankcase.  RS-R told us we would probably see a gain of 5-7 hp as this is a 4 cylinder engine.  They typically see larger gains in engines with more cylinders due to higher amounts of internal friction.

After shaking the bottle thoroughly we carefully dumped it into our Subies crankcase noting that the additive was a milky gray in color.  Once that was done, we set out on a 30 minute freeway drive to burnish the additive into our engine's metal parts.

Our Project GD Subaru STI was our first subject for testing RS-R's Ran-Up oil treatment.

During our drive we noticed a few things.  On a Subaru you can usually hear the whine of the turbocharger quite well.  This is because the turbo is mounted up high and close to the firewall.  Normally when going down the freeway, you can hear a continuous whine from the turbo, even at light throttle.  The first thing we noticed is that the whine disappeared after a few minutes.

Next we noticed that our idle had become very smooth and you could definitely feel less vibrations from the engine.  Being skeptics of super additive claims, we were pretty amazed at these two things alone.  After our drive it was time for a subjective test.  Our friend Naji Dahi of Looney Tuning lives nearby and he dropped in to give us a hand to try to measure any power gains that Ran-Up might provide.  If you drive an Evo or an STI Naji is a hell of a tuner. 

 

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Dan DeRosia
Dan DeRosialink
Friday, August 24, 2012 3:44 AM
Speaking from a position of skepticism... I just worry about unintended consequences if these results are accurate. Looking at all the guys who do oil analysis on the EJ, a lot of the oils that are reputed to offer mileage increases are playing with viscosity specs - Mobil One 5w30 specifically has a reputation for causing bearing failures. The EJs have pretty narrow bearings that seem to be pretty highly loaded, so I guess if it's going to be a problem you picked a pretty good test subject.

I may just be conservative as hell on the topic of oil though. ;)
Dusty Duster
Dusty Dusterlink
Friday, August 24, 2012 4:20 AM
That sounds pretty neat. So what's the price on this stuff?
Paul Jons
Paul Jonslink
Friday, August 24, 2012 5:15 AM
I'm also interested in the long term effect on the EJ. In your opinion Mike, do you think it could have any effect on the engine?

Also, where could I get this?
Yoshi Jeffery
Yoshi Jefferylink
Friday, August 24, 2012 5:21 AM
in for real dyno results
9krpmrx8
9krpmrx8link
Friday, August 24, 2012 7:44 AM
LOL, $49.95 for a 10oz bottle? You have to be kidding me.
pk386
pk386link
Friday, August 24, 2012 8:00 AM
^^^ This
Around $10/bottle maybe... but $50???
http://www.rs-r.com/ran-up.php

Great article though. Thanks Mike!
Der Bruce
Der Brucelink
Friday, August 24, 2012 8:13 AM
Well, let's see........
3% Improvement of mileage for let's say 10k miles is 300 miles, let's also say you get 30mpg (for simple math sake). We saved 10 gallons at $4 a gallon which is $40 saved over 10k miles. Remember, 1 bottle treats 8 quarts, so 2 oil changes or less with modern oil life calculators over 10k. Oh, and there's the increased HP, decreased friction, longer engine life, etc. I could calculate for Premium to show you guys saving money......... Just some thoughts for those thinking HP comes cheap.........PS $50 for 5WHP is actually VERY inexpensive!
Der Bruce
Der Brucelink
Friday, August 24, 2012 8:15 AM
I meant I could calculate Premium to show you saving even MORE money!
Dan DeRosia
Dan DeRosialink
Friday, August 24, 2012 8:33 AM
$4/gallon *is* premium around here; 93 too! Heh heh heh.
Sootfoot
Sootfootlink
Friday, August 24, 2012 8:42 AM
Bruce beat me to it. $50 for 5whp seems pretty reasonable to me especially with the extended oil change intervals these days.
destrux
destruxlink
Friday, August 24, 2012 8:59 AM
I've yet to read a bad review of this stuff. Which somehow surprises me. I'm just not one of those additive guys. I'm in for long term results from you guys though. That would change my mind.

I wonder what makes this stuff different from all the other nano-particle ceramic based super lubricants already on the market, or is this maybe the only legitimate stuff and the others are just relabeled toothpaste?

Hmm.
bc
bclink
Friday, August 24, 2012 9:53 AM
The "tiny ball bearings" makes sense theoretically. I don't see any reason to compare this to the 'snake oil' fuel/oil additives found at Autozone, maybe just because I trust RS*R...
Dusty Duster
Dusty Dusterlink
Friday, August 24, 2012 10:00 AM
I've got to dump 8 quarts of oil in my land yacht every time I change the oil. $50 on top of $80 worth of synthetic oil and filters is pretty steep, but it might be worth it if I actually saved that much in gas mileage.
Mike Kojima
Mike Kojimalink
Friday, August 24, 2012 10:50 AM
On the subject of Moble One 5w30 and bearings, I had heard about the newer tri synthetic blends being cheaper and only the 0w40 being full synthetic good stuff. Anyone hear this rumor as well?
Beeble
Beeblelink
Friday, August 24, 2012 4:35 PM
I'd like to believe this stuff works. but unless you did before and after runs in the same conditions on the same piece of road with no wind, the Virtual Dyno weather compensation isn't perfect.

Oh and lol at the AFR trace. it looks like he just put that in manually afterwards and set it to 11.2 :)
I know he's a good tuner, but that's a little too perfect!
isocuda
isocudalink
Friday, August 24, 2012 6:58 PM
It's $50/Oil change for 5whp
So to use round figures that is $600 a year, So those extra ponies really don't matter, Forest for the trees it's in the same category as spending the extra money to WPC treat things. So in my Book RS-R did good, very good.
spdracerut
spdracerutlink
Friday, August 24, 2012 7:22 PM
The dyno plots show the RS-R making more torque sooner in both cases, then a bit less in the mid-range, then more on the top end. My guess is the ecu/boost controller is hunting a little bit. I'm guessing it's overshooting the target load on the bottom third, tries to compensate and undershoots causing the dip in the midrange, then readjusts and makes more on the top end. I would see this in my Evo where the boost would overshoot, then undershoot, before settling. A 4th gear pull should smooth it out better.
Tarik Laaraj
Tarik Laarajlink
Friday, August 24, 2012 10:56 PM
The porsche made 48whp more after this.

http://www.rs-r.com/ranuptest.php?car=10004

Leon
Leonlink
Friday, August 24, 2012 11:42 PM
Sorry for being skeptical, but mind reporting back after a few more tests and a bit more mileage?

My MS3's engine isn't known for being reliable and it just seems like it might be diluting the oil a little bit.

If it proves true, then I'm all in for it.
Leon
Leonlink
Friday, August 24, 2012 11:49 PM
No editing posts, so here goes a second post.

http://www.importtuner.com/tech/impp_1012_rs_r_ran_up_engine_oil_additive/

Looks like these guys have been around for longer than I expected, and *gasp* it looks JDM. How much faith you put into the import tuner tests is up to you.
JDMized
JDMizedlink
Saturday, August 25, 2012 1:51 AM
I don't know much about this technology, but the ball bearing example makes perfect sense.

On a similar note, Top Secret Japan, several years ago released a synthetic oil called RX-1 which has nano properties in it.
http://www.bulletproofautomotive.com/catalog-detail.php?ID=4111

(Granted a quart of oil is $130. Pretty steep for an oil-change, but intervals I would assume would be twice as long).
Mike Kojima
Mike Kojimalink
Saturday, August 25, 2012 2:03 AM
The car at the time was completly stock with no tuning at all. The dyno sheets are unaltered. I was there the whole time.
willscarcast
willscarcastlink
Saturday, August 25, 2012 4:20 AM
Very interesting. i wonder if a engine builder with a engine dyno might be up for testing as well. especially a v8 builder.
Wrecked
Wreckedlink
Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:20 AM
Mike, are you referring to the 911?

Naji logs would hopefully show if spracerut's hpothesis is correct. Maybe he can give his input here.
Xiang Gang
Xiang Ganglink
Saturday, August 25, 2012 10:18 AM
I have an AP1 S2000 which are notorious for the oil consumption and since mine is supercharged I'm frequently topping off my oil (even with Krank Vents :( ). If I were running this product would I have to add a dash of Ran Up everytime I topped off my oil?
spdracerut
spdracerutlink
Saturday, August 25, 2012 10:47 AM
@Xiang, you need a BIG oil cooler for the S2000 if you're supercharged. Have you been keeping up on Project S2000?

http://www.motoiq.com/projects/honda/project_honda_s2000.aspx

We had to add an oil cooler for track use and the car is stock power-wise. More power = more heat. So with you being supercharged, you must be really cooking the oil. Hot oil = thin oil, and probably more likely burned off oil which is why you're topping off so frequently.
ekasey
ekaseylink
Saturday, August 25, 2012 12:21 PM
far far far too many variables for this to be a valid test.
Xiang Gang
Xiang Ganglink
Saturday, August 25, 2012 3:04 PM
I do have plans for a big oil cooler and radiator, in the meantime I've switched to a slightly thicker weight and kept my car off the track.

I'm looking into a dual pass radiator that's recently been released (first dual pass specifically for this car if I'm not mistaken) which includes an oil cooler mount similar to that seen in Project Honda S2000.

Here's the link for anyone that's curious:
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/940350-whos-interested-in-a-better-radiator-for-racing/
Mike Kojima
Mike Kojimalink
Saturday, August 25, 2012 3:58 PM
It is completely valid
clandestine
clandestinelink
Saturday, August 25, 2012 6:18 PM
Wow. I was a huge, huge fan of Sport Compact Car. And now you guys sold your soul to the devil. What a joke. 5 HP on a 250+ HP motor is less than 2%, easily within the margin of error of a real dyno. I can't believe there are so many people on here buying this BS. This used to be one of my favorite websites. I understand the Industry News Ads, but pretending to do a review of an obviously fake product is outrageous. The only other thing on the internet I can find about this is Import Tuner. If it did the things you claim, it would be bought by Mobil or Shell or someone for Billions of dollars.
Der Bruce
Der Brucelink
Saturday, August 25, 2012 6:39 PM
Wait, wait, wait Import Tuner uses RSR Ran-up on two different vehicles and notes gains of at least 3WHP, Motoiq does TEN (because I believe I remember reading TEN) pulls but gives you the smallest gain and somehow they've sold their soul!? You can search the site for the many times Mike has stated that bigger advertising dollars were offered to Motoiq but Mike wouldn't take the money knowing the companies were peddling knock-offs, etc. If Mobil or Shell wanted to improve their products they'd also buy up Royal Purple but they haven't last time I checked!
Dusty Duster
Dusty Dusterlink
Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:40 PM
I trust Mike and the rest of the fellows here.

If you want to see the results on a V8, send me a bottle. I'll drive to JPC, Evolution, or MSP, do an oil change, dyno the car, dump the additive in, put 25 miles on it, then dyno it again.
spdracerut
spdracerutlink
Saturday, August 25, 2012 10:13 PM
@Xiang, I know about that radiator. Quite honestly, I don't know why they don't just use the Koyo. The guy who decided to have it made did so because he had a piece of crap Mishimoto. Well, should have just gotten the Koyo in the first place. I guess people liked my oil cooler placement ideas as they are copying it.

@clandestine, two things: 10 runs before and 10 runs after to create statistically meaningful data. Secondly, I don't see RS*R ads on the site.

Actually, a third thing: $50 treats 8 quarts, so about $6.25 extra per quart. Think a quart of Mobil 1 would sell at $12 a quart for a 2% power gain? I think not....

If you are skeptical, go do your own test.
Mike Kojima
Mike Kojimalink
Sunday, August 26, 2012 2:01 AM
Clandestine, Really? Do you see an RSR or Ran Up ad here? Call me a liar and don't like our testing, then don't come here. Really. Go back to SCC. Oh wait most of us are here now in a less corporate less ad dollar controlled format.
Wrecked
Wreckedlink
Sunday, August 26, 2012 8:12 AM
This seems to me to be like liquid WPC treatment without the improvement in metalurgical properties you get due to the shot blasting type application of WPC. What I am not sure of is if the RAN-UP actually embedes itself into the metal. I imagine it would embed itself into the bearings.

For Mike and others defending the RAN-UP, is this significant enough to you that you will be using it regularly on your personal cars and on projects, similarly to the way that you use WPC on most projects?

I googled and found a similar sounding product called Cermet. Has anyone tried it?
-Tom-
-Tom-link
Sunday, August 26, 2012 11:02 AM
I've always wondered about these little additives, if theyre so good why dont Mobil, Castrol, Pennzoil, etc all offer this in their oil as standard these days?

Not to say I'm doubting your results or their claims but one would think those guys would be the first to jump on it since the last real revolution with staying power in engine oil was synthetic.
Sootfoot
Sootfootlink
Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:02 PM
My thought on the big oil companies e.g. Mobil 1 is that the market for folks who pay up to $8 a quart is pretty limited compared to the masses that put the cheapest oil they can find in a car so adding $50 to every oil change is a limited market indeed. For those of us who love our cars and for those who own cars with limited aftermarket support this additive could be a nice alternative for more power along with the other benefits. As Mike wrote in the article, we'll see with additional testing.
Tarik Laaraj
Tarik Laarajlink
Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:06 PM
MotoIQ I think people would be more responsive if you guys took a popular car like a 350z that is stock and compared two cars. Both stock, DYNO both do an oil change on both using the same oil. Then DYNO. Then add the RAN UP to both vehicles and see what happens.
Mike Kojima
Mike Kojimalink
Sunday, August 26, 2012 11:03 PM
Uh basically that's what we did, got a popular car, an STI, changed the oil, tested it, added Ran-Up and retested with a fairly large sample size reporting minimum and maximum gains.

If you want two I suggest doing your own test and reporting the results here.
Amir
Amirlink
Monday, August 27, 2012 7:39 AM
I was interested so I did some searching and found nothing negative regarding Ran*Up. I've been a fan of RS*R for a while and trust their products, so I shot them an email and we're going to put my aircooled 911 on their dyno in a couple weeks for some Ran*Up testing. I'll post up the results when I go.
Tarik Laaraj
Tarik Laarajlink
Monday, August 27, 2012 9:19 AM
The reason I said two cars Mike is that if the power gain is similar and repeatable in both vehicles many more people would be inclined to see the test as valid.

I have no issue with the test you guys did here, everything you guys post up is awesome and It's good enough for me. I merely suggested that for the non believers.

I'd love to see the results on a 300ZX seeing as the 911 had amazing gains. Good luck Amir.
Dan DeRosia
Dan DeRosialink
Monday, August 27, 2012 2:54 PM
... wow, and here I was slightly concerned with being as negative as I was. Goddamn people, data is data, and if it's not as much data as you'd like, go generate more. I mean what, do people expect that the MotoIQ staff have, at their disposal, an engine dyno and a variety of test engines just sitting around, ready to test things? (well, that would be cool) I really doubt it, so hey, a test was performed with the best that was easy to hand.

I'm not going to run out and buy it from just that, and yeah there's variations and noise and all the rest in the results. When it's leaning more one way than the other though, it's interesting. Not conclusive, but interesting.
Mike Kojima
Mike Kojimalink
Monday, August 27, 2012 3:02 PM
x2
Alex Vendler
Alex Vendlerlink
Monday, August 27, 2012 9:50 PM
Can't use it in transmissions? This means you can't use it in a motorcycle engine? Too bad as it would probably benefit greatly from any reduced friction.

What does Ran Up do to tranny's I wonder?
Mike Kojima
Mike Kojimalink
Monday, August 27, 2012 10:20 PM
The RS-R guys told me they tried it on their shop cars and it works fine last weekend. Perhaps syncros don't work as well so they are being cautious?
Tarik Laaraj
Tarik Laarajlink
Monday, August 27, 2012 10:25 PM
What about differentials?
Mike Kojima
Mike Kojimalink
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:10 AM
Same thing, motorcycles too.
Dan DeRosia
Dan DeRosialink
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:24 AM
I suspect the hesitancy with transmissions and differentials comes from that the carrier oil for this stuff is just 0w20 and most gear oils are rather thicker than that.
Street Surgeon
Street Surgeonlink
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:41 AM
I'd have to agree with some of the other comments posted, 5ish whp gains would normally be considered within the margin of error on the dyno which was simulated anyway.

Though in all fairness I have heard good things about this product from other sources I would never personally run it unless someone just dropped a box of it off in my hands.

50.00 for ~5ish whp PER OIL CHANGE is too steep for me. I'd much rather put that cash towards WPC coating all the internals, or other modifications if I desperately needed more whp. Again, neat product but I have a feeling these little bottles won't be flying off the shelves anytime soon.
4cylndrfury
4cylndrfurylink
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:57 AM
I had a whole ranty post whipped up, and somehow the blog software ate it up and pooped it out into the internet toilet somewhere.

long story short, Mike and Dave and the others have been writing automotive articles for some time now, and I have been reading them for some time now. They've never given me reason to pause. I dont think theyre gonna decide to toss in the towel and morally flake on us over an obscure oil additive thats being marketed to less than 1% of the US populace.

$50 for 5 ponies at the wheel in a 4 banger? Sounds reasonable to me. The effect of the stuff is cumulative right? so that $50 will begin to go a lot further over time. Drive a V8 or a zomfgcummins? you should see higher gains than that. Add in the potential savings in fuel, and that $50 (I am gauging about $200/year in additive if you stick with it), and Id say you balance out, with the benefit of more fun being calculated by the butt dyno.
Mike Kojima
Mike Kojimalink
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:01 PM
I also think too slippery might affect syncros, LSD clutches and bike wet clutches so they are cautious about recommending it. They told me that it has worked good on their personal trannys, diffs and bikes.

Boxed Fox
Boxed Foxlink
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:38 PM
Hell, for a couple percent more hp I'll try it in my race car. In fact, I have a two day Pocono event coming up at the end of Sept. I'll do an oil change during the event and try it then.

I'm curious to see how the stuff holds up under sustained load and high oil temps anyway.
thereisnospork
thereisnosporklink
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:42 PM
While I have no first hand experience with the product, and have no evidence of its specific effectiveness, the proposed mode of action is not without evidence. See http://202.114.89.60/resource/pdf/2964.pdf for instance. The gist is, as an oil additive, nanoparticles can reduce friction and thus increase horsepower.
Daniel
Daniellink
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:56 AM
just ordered a bottle. i will before/after dynojet my stock '94 Miata. may i also add, i was charged $10 shipping to nebraska.
Merritt
Merrittlink
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:17 PM
Nanoparticles as oil addatives have been a significant subject in oil and lubricant research in recent years. This post caused me to dig up some information and I was fairly surprised. The auto industry would love to reduce the drag in the drive line due to heavy oils, even as much as 5W-30, to only need 0W-10 as it would have a significant impact on fuel economy. It looks like the key is in the shape and size of the nanoparticles. Interesting information!
David
Davidlink
Thursday, August 30, 2012 4:13 PM
I was fortunate enough to have RS-R Ran Up in my 2006 Honda Civic earlier this week, and I've was pleasantly surprised with the results.

On the dyno, my car was able to make 4whp and 4tq. Not a huge gain by any means, but a before/after dyno of my exhaust only resulted in 8whp, so it's definitely got a good horsepower to dollar ratio.

I haven't driven it enough to see a mileage gain, but I hope to see 1-3 addition MPG.

I'll post up again after a few weeks have gone by to report my gain or loss in MPG.
Boxed Fox
Boxed Foxlink
Thursday, August 30, 2012 4:28 PM
Got a bottle for me to try out as well. If it arrives before the 8th, I'm using it for the Pocono Twilight Sprint. If it doesn't, it'll be a nice little experiment for the two day Pocono North event at the end of Sept.
Taka
Takalink
Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:13 PM
MPG on our Diesel Truck: Before RAN UP--9-10 mpg with enclosed trailer.
After RAN UP, 11-13 mpg. This is afte 30k miles. Just for the curiosity, I did not use RAN UP on last oil change. I got 10-11 mpg on towing. It is solid 10% increase on mpg for our truck with RAN UP.

Another interesting note: on dyno, the rate of oil temp increase is less!

RAN UP works!!
Boxed Fox
Boxed Foxlink
Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:20 PM
Why didn't I think of that? A couple weeks ago we did a 600 mile tow out to the Pittsburgh area with my buddy's 2.5RS behind my FJ. Probably would have saved us a few bucks.
Lessendz
Lessendzlink
Friday, August 31, 2012 11:43 AM
kinda Expensive??
almost the cost of a whole 2nd oil change in smaller cars..
more long term testing would be nice?
(prolly expensive to do as well)
but that don't stop silly doctors&lawyers on clublexus from sampling oil filters from each oil change to determine when the bearings are broken in..
LoL

my question is..
what effect if any? does it have on TWC's
some oil is burnt off during combustion..
and with it some of what is in the oil must go as well..
or is all of the additive sucked into the metal surface?
will any of this stuff (over time) coat oxygen sensors or TWC's?
CrickiKaze
CrickiKazelink
Sunday, September 02, 2012 12:13 PM
Wonder what the effect would be on a motorcycle, some concern would be towards one with a wet clutch and the fibers.
Nick
Nicklink
Monday, September 03, 2012 4:04 PM
Thread on nano tech oil over on Rennlist- http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/racing-and-drivers-education-forum/703104-nanotechnology-in-engine-and-gear-oils-new-company-sponsor-intro.html

I'd love you guys to separate the wheat from the chaff concerning this. The seller says the bucky ball particles are so small that it could be considered a hazardous material.
Mike Kojima
Mike Kojimalink
Monday, September 03, 2012 4:37 PM
I wonder if that is why they say no two strokes?
Viprdude
Viprdudelink
Wednesday, September 05, 2012 6:52 AM
Thanks for the information and data collection, Mike!
Daniel
Daniellink
Wednesday, September 05, 2012 12:57 PM
dyno-ing tomorrow morning. first with fresh 0w-40 Mobil, then the additive. then we're going to drain and refill without it again for a true A-B-A comparison.
Leon
Leonlink
Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:05 PM
Daniel: if you don't mind me butting in, can you do a 40mile drive in between each change before the dyno? I know I'm not doing it and its not my gas that you are burning, but I want to see it with more control, especially since the RSR guys say that it needs at least 30miles to burn in. I would be very grateful if you can do that and post some results.

PS: what car are you doing it on?
Mike Kojima
Mike Kojimalink
Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:41 PM
Remember Ran-up has residual effects, you will still see a power gain after you drain it and replace the oil. Just not as much as at first.
BlizzBRZ
BlizzBRZlink
Wednesday, September 05, 2012 11:10 PM
I was a bit skeptical when I read this article today, so I decided to go down to RS-R USA today and have them run some tests on my Subaru BRZ. I wasn't expecting any HP/Tq gains, but I am very interested in the claims they made regarding fuel efficiency and engine noise.

I wrote up my impressions here:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=424795
Mike Kojima
Mike Kojimalink
Wednesday, September 05, 2012 11:22 PM
Thank you for posting the results!
Daniel
Daniellink
Thursday, September 06, 2012 12:43 PM
i'll add more detail later, but the short of it is- my miata did not make more power. i laid down seven very consistent base pulls at 102hp/98tq. added the RanUp, beat the every living snot out of my car for half an hour. then i drained half a quart out so the total fill would be correct. strapped it down again; no meaningful gains. made ten more pulls and never varied by more than one whole hp at any point.
Mike Kojima
Mike Kojimalink
Thursday, September 06, 2012 12:59 PM
Did you notice anything else?
Daniel
Daniellink
Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:00 PM
it does seem to rev butter-smooth now, and i'm willing to stand by that statement despite the lack of tangible results. though, i wonder if my engine just likes fresh mobil1 and a solid thrashing.
Mike Kojima
Mike Kojimalink
Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:05 PM
RS-R told me that the lower the power of the engine and the few the number of cylinders, the less difference it would make. Thank you for sharing your results.
Daniel
Daniellink
Thursday, September 06, 2012 6:19 PM
so definitely shouldn't put it in my CT-90 then huh?
Mike Kojima
Mike Kojimalink
Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:08 PM
It might make it last a long time!
Daniel
Daniellink
Saturday, September 08, 2012 6:08 AM
it's 46 years old RIGHT NOW.
DieselTech
DieselTechlink
Sunday, September 09, 2012 6:12 PM
Im very curious to see this product used in a HEUI diesel like a 7.3 or 6.0 Powerstroke where oil quality over time has a huge impact on how the engine runs, specifically, whether or not it can cure injector stiction issues. Some of the additives out there geared toward this application seem a bit shady to me.
SamuraiSam
SamuraiSamlink
Monday, September 10, 2012 3:34 PM
Mike, the reason some people say only Mobil 1's oils have gone downhill is because many of their consumer oils used to be made with all Group IV polyalphaolefins (PAO)base stocks, but after they lost the Castrol lawsuit (Where they protested Castrol's use of group III [very refined petroleum] oils being marketed as full synthetics) they went ahead and reformulated to their "Tri-Synthetic" blend around 1999. The current marketing term is SuperSyn which is the same product with a different additive package for SL service spec. What is the Tri-Synthetic blend? PAO, esters and Alkylated napthilates. The latter item is... a Group III oil. Perhaps the 0w40 is a PAO/ester oil- it certainly is more expensive than the rest of Mobil's oil.

What does this mean to the end user? If you look at the components of these items on a molecular level, PAO are fully saturated (no double bonds or aromatics) which helps it resist chemical attacks, but they resist the additive pack at the same time. There's nothing 'wrong' with Group III components in and of themselves, and they probably help bind the additive package. But, these formulations were lower viscosity than the previous, and indeed at the lower end of allowable viscosity (at least the 5w30 and 10w30). However, AMSOIL makes a pure PAO based oil with plenty of detergents, that is highly regarded. With all of this said, in the real world I use Shell Rotella T6 which is a 5w40 synthetic any time I can, Castrol 5w40 in European engines that I can't use the Rotella in, and have no hesitation using the Mobil 0w40 when called for.
redgolftdi
redgolftdilink
Friday, September 14, 2012 4:50 PM
I have run dyno tests on my Golf TDI. First test with Lubri Moly additive, second test with VW oil and new filter, third test with Ran-up. In the area of torque and HP Ran-up produced higher torque and HP than stock oil and hither numbers than Lubri Moly. Numbers were produced on a four wheel chassis dyno. Max torque at wheels was 249.4 and max HP at wheels was 130.0. The test was performed with about 17,500 miles on the car. I have been using Ran-up every since the dyno test and am pleased with the smoothness of the engine and the slight increase in MPG. MPG between 41-44. I definately think the product is worth the money and will continue using it.
SamuraiSam
SamuraiSamlink
Monday, September 17, 2012 4:03 AM
Redgolf, are you using the Liqui Moly 4200 5w30 with the Lubri Moly?? I haven't ventured outside of the Castrol SLX Professional for VW 507.00 yet. Any worries that the additives may bump you out of the viscosity and soot handling requirements of the 507 spec?
redgolftdi
redgolftdilink
Monday, September 17, 2012 9:43 PM
Sam, I put Liqui Moly additive in my stock VW oil and it was in there for 10,000 miles and I do not think it hurt anything. At 40,000 miles I plan to put Amsoil in the motor and Ran-UP, should be interesting to see the results.
Blue-Civic-Hybrid
Blue-Civic-Hybridlink
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:34 AM
This may sound crazy, but I just called RSR and told them I wanted to purchase a bottle of Ran-Up for my 2000 Honda Insight. You know what they said? Would I like to strap my Insight to a dyno and see the difference Ran-up would make on my Insight!!! Looks like it will happen this coming Monday!!
Bill
Billlink
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:54 PM
I just signed up to comment on this, I've been reading articles here for a while and since I have no money or time for any actual racing, I never thought to post comments. Now, I just used a bottle of ran up in my wife's 2001 malibu after reading up on cermet and this article.. Obviously. I don't have dyno results or anything, but I did notice so far that the engine runs smooth and doesn't have the same clanking idle I've heard with just about ever other malibu. So far I've only gone maybe 100 miles since the change, the fuel economy is looking better, the car doesn't go far so it'll be a while before I have mpg numbers. I'll post back when I get a figure.
SamuraiSam
SamuraiSamlink
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:53 PM
@redgolf, VW diesel engines have a very plain history of engine failures when the correct oil isn't used, and the only additives I'm familiar with anyone using are fuel lubricity additives such as Stanadyne and Power Service (I use the latter since it's much cheaper in the 250gal jugs). The 1.9 moreso than the 2.0 CR tough. I'm interested in your long term cost savings, because at 160k miles on an '09 CBEA I would need to see a very substantial increase in MPG to warrant paying so much more for oil plus additive...(AMSOIL's "European Car Formula 5W-30" is significantly more expensive than the Castrol SLX, which according to my Blackstone UOA's, is doing a very good job at keeping the engine in great shape on 10k OCI's.)
Mike @FIGS Engineering
Mike @FIGS Engineeringlink
Friday, September 21, 2012 9:49 PM
I am not sure why it is so hard to believe that ceramic particles would yield lower friction than conventional oil or synthetic oils as a go-between in metal-metal interfaces. Aerospace robotics has know this for years and that is why ceramic bearings are nearly 20X the cost of a conventional ball bearing with oil lubrication. COF will always be lower for a surface with a finer molecular structure and higher hardness. The question is are you willing to pay for it and are the particles small enough to fill the voids in the grain structure of the metals they intercede.

As far as wet clutch and tranny setups, you need friction to make them work, the oil/tranny fluid is just there to conduct heat away. Adding a product like this would potentially defeat the clutch, increase temps and foul things up pretty quickly.

Dynos are probably a bad place to test this stuff, seems like the drag strip would be better and take a 30ft to quarter time with a statistically large enough sample size. I do not question the format the data was taken in this article, its good to see peak and RMS measurements for comparison.
Blue-Civic-Hybrid
Blue-Civic-Hybridlink
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:00 AM
Well, yesterday I went to RSR to have my 2000 Honda Insight strapped to the dyno and see if any of this "snake oil" Ran-Up does anything at all. The night before I showed up, I changed my oil in my garage with the normal oil I use, 0-20w Mobil 1 extended and a Mobil 1 M108 oil filter after 10k miles of driving. Showed up bright and early at RSR and was greeted, informed of what Ran-up consisted of and before I knew it, my Insight was on the dyno.

They did 4 dyno pulls and the second best run on my tiny Insight was a whopping 64 WHP and around 63 ft/lbs. Poured in the Ran-up, ran the car on the dyno for 30 minutes varying RPM and speeds, then shut the car down.

The car was then run again after a brief lunch break and 4 more dyno pulls were done. My second best pull, not the best, showed a 66.6 WHP and 66 ft/lbs. All the other runs were within .5 to 1 WHP with torque around the same. My best pull was the last one I think which showed a 67.8 WHP and torque right at 70ft+/lbs from what I saw on the screen.

Then my small driving impression around the block, my valve tick and chatter no longer exist. My little insight was eerily quiet which them made me hear the various squeaks and rattles of my custom suspension and everything in between. My highly calibrated butt dyno confirmed the car revved easier and just seemed far more eager than before.

Well, now some bad news. When I arrived at RSR that morning for the dyno, I had achieved 57.3 MPG without my A/C on driving around 75 to 80 MPH there. Not my best but i wanted to make sure i got there on time. After the car got off the dyno, my MPG now read 50.7!!!

Well, after my dyno session, I still had to drive to work which was still 255 miles away. So I drove another 4.5 hours non-stop at "california freeway" speeds (75 to 80MPH) with my A/C on this time and when I reached my destination, my MPG read 55.2. I was doing this with time concerns on my mind, not fuel economy plus it was very hot out here in the desert.

One more thing I noticed, when I used to turn on my A/C, my car felt like I had thrown a huge boat anchor out the back and was dragging it. Now it's a much smaller anchor after being treated with Ran-Up. Also during my up hill runs and downhills on the GrapeVine, which i have driven for the past year and a half every weekend, there was a very noticeable pick up going up and I coasted faster than I ever did going down the hill.

The only thing I don't like about Ran-Up so far is it seems to encourage me to drive faster which hurts my MPG! And I hear more noise now but not from the engine, just everywhere else!

I will change my oil at 15k miles and see how Ran-up does during this extended oil change interval.

Thanks again to Ben, John, and of course the "moustachioed ninja" at RSR (who will remain unnamed to protect his identity) for all the hospitality and the free lunch. Maybe I'll drive my Fit up there for a dyno session!

Der Bruce
Der Brucelink
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:42 AM
Thanks for the impressions Blue-Civic-Hybrid! Don't forget your bad news of before and after MPGs would be very consistent with someone doing multiple dyno pulls at WOT. And then it seemed like they went back up as expected. Bad news would be something like, you did the same early morning drive under the same traffic conditions and your MPG dropped a few.

PS Between your Fit and Insight, something needs a K swap!
Todd98SE
Todd98SElink
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 11:09 AM
I tried Ran-Up in my Mazdaspeed3 in an attempt to increase my gas mileage after putting in a larger turbo and switching to an E85/91 fuel mix. I noticed about a 1 mpg jump in mileage and noticeably smoother engine vibrations. I cant verify any HP gains but it definitely feels slightly faster. Well worth it for the MPG increase and vibration decrease.
Blue-Civic-Hybrid
Blue-Civic-Hybridlink
Friday, September 28, 2012 10:58 AM
Der Bruce, thanks for the K-swap idea but I think my supercharged b-series Civic is the better candidate! I will be updating here what I find out over my 15k miles before i do an oil change.

I'm gonna put this Ran-up in my NA Miata, soon to be track car!
Boxed Fox
Boxed Foxlink
Monday, October 08, 2012 5:22 PM
Well, I finally tried this stuff in my IMG PI-5 / SCCA ITS Honda at Pocono last weekend. Timewise, it made a solid 0.5 sec difference on the North Course.

More notably, it made the car eerily quiet. My car still has a cat and is muffled so it's pretty quiet to start with. But after I put the RAN UP in the car became even quieter. It freaked me out a bit during the first set of sprint races but it was quite nice during the 2 Hour Enduro.

After seeing how that worked out, I think I'll start making RAN UP part of my usual oil change regimen.
Mike Kojima
Mike Kojimalink
Tuesday, October 09, 2012 9:10 AM
Time to put in racecar!
Tarik Laaraj
Tarik Laarajlink
Tuesday, October 09, 2012 11:17 AM
I'm going to use some in my 300zxtt and see what happens. I have a motor that I just bought from jdm engine world in Jamaica queens, ny. I'll do a flush on the motor, change the oil and do a DYNO run. Then I'll do an rsr run and see what happens.
Chris
Chrislink
Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:48 PM
I still am skeptical but I am goin to try it on my Jeep Grand Cherokee that has been acting up lately. 4.0L so i'll see if it was a waste of $50 or it will make me into a beleiver
Paul Jons
Paul Jonslink
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 11:39 PM
Any updates on this Mike?
BobsYrUncle-AP2
BobsYrUncle-AP2link
Monday, December 17, 2012 8:33 AM
I recently tried RAN*UP and was definitely surprised with the out come. My friend referred it to me and we wanted to test it. Full dyno testing and tryin to get the clearest data possible. Since i was going to Dyno before going boost after dropping my compression to get a Base line test. So after adding RAN*UP my S2000 clearly got 3hp gain. It also like stated a few comments above cleared up some engine noise and the car definitely runs smoother in the streets. Really surprised with the additive and will continue to use it.
malibuguy
malibuguylink
Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:31 AM
I tried ran up in my daily driver Yaris that has a few modifications. I aleady run top of the line amsoil 0w-20...made some baseline dyno pulls, then poured in the RanUp, drove it for 30-40min, made a few more pulls and it made absolutely no difference...maybe .5whp...if that. I'll stick with just running good oil.
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