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By Wes Dumalski

 

Let's face it.... There are a lot of shit products on the market and we here at MotoIQ make no bones about the fact that we hate crappy parts and knock offs. In a straight out rebellion against said polished piles of crap we have come up with a designation of sorts. When we find a product we like, one that is cutting edge, works well, makes sense, bests others in performance etc.... we will bestow it with the honor of being MotoIQ "Certified Legit". Make no mistake, regardless of how we come by parts (purchase, company donation for testing, sponsorship, barter, trade etc.....) we will ONLY designate them 'Certified Legit" if they are worthy! This designation will NOT be based on price point. Many of the items MAY be expensive and some of them may be nearly free, the purpose here is to give credit where credit is due. In addition to designating parts "Certified Legit" we also reserve the right to award companies and individuals this self proclaimed honor.

In all fairness I wanted to have a counterpart segment that bestowed the "Guaranteed piece of shit" to fake ass bunk parts, but alas my mother told me that if you don't have anything nice to say and if you don't want to get sued for libel it may be best to keep that designation to ourselves. Alas the legalese prevails and the steaming pile of logo is not coming to fruition at this point. 

Lastly MotoIQ will NOT be bought. Just because we bestow a "Certified Legit" status on a product that is made by one of our paid advertisers you can rest assured it deserves said accolade. Anything you see on the pages of MotoIQ that is "Certified Legit" is based on hands on, real world testing and experience. Most often a data set will be provided to substantiate our opinion and other times you may simply have to take our word for it. 

Look for our first "Certified Legit" product within the next week and look for additions to the sight based on this designation. You will eventually be able to sort and search for tested parts so that you may consider them for purchase. 

So there you have it, more badass opinionation from the minds here at MotoIQ.  

 

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DaGou
DaGoulink
Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:27 PM
Another badass feature! Thanks. You guys ever consider having an actual part list for the project cars? You could also show which project the parts were Certified Legit on.
8695Beaters
8695Beaterslink
Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:41 PM
^^^That's not a bad idea. Definitely looking forward to seeing MotoIQs rants and raves on parts. It can be really hard to trust reviews by people on forums. A lot of them don't have anything to compare to and sometimes people fluff reviews because they don't want to admit they bought a part that wasn't as good as they thought. Glad to see the BS cast aside for the truth. More signal, less noise!
Dusty Duster
Dusty Dusterlink
Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:55 PM
This website is Certified LEGIT!
Ockham
Ockhamlink
Thursday, November 03, 2011 6:03 PM
It's not an opinion if you have data supporting your stance. Bring it.
Der Bruce
Der Brucelink
Thursday, November 03, 2011 6:38 PM
I know this years Formula Drift champion is running KW V3s. Those KW coilovers seem pretty legit ;)
DRIFT_S13
DRIFT_S13link
Thursday, November 03, 2011 6:40 PM
Awesome I check this site everyday for new articles. Certifed LEGIT indeed!
x01011000x
x01011000xlink
Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:36 PM
Glad to see this feature come out. I personally have been trying to only purchase parts from vendors who don't sell any knock offs. It is pretty hard though, lol.

Will there be a way to submit suggestions on what the community would like to see tested?
oldx18
oldx18link
Friday, November 04, 2011 6:02 AM
Hear, hear! Knockoffs suck...Sucks kind of like offshoring our intellectual property for cheap manufacturing labor...

I'm all for import quality when it's legit. Much Japanese, German, and Aussie designed and proto'd gear that's legit. Same w/ American gear. I'm all about the Teddy Roosevelt thing minus the racism of the time. Hyphenated Americanism...

Look at Steve Jobs. Guy might have been a jerk (another rant), but he excelled at doing what we should all be doing: Looking into other industries and technologies to better our own and not sacrificing quality or design. I'm not about Asian folks jumping out of windows either (Foxconn). Need to build up our people around us...

Rant done. Thx for reading. Out.
Tony
Tonylink
Friday, November 04, 2011 6:20 AM
I nominate an intercooler shootout / comparo.

One of the biggest issues I had when looking to get into an air/air cooler to replace it, was choosing which brand to trust.

There's too many $100 ebay coolers out there. There's too many 'name-brand' coolers using the same $100 chinese cores in their builds. There's too many knock-off $100 chinese coolers, indistinguishable from their authentic counterparts. There is VERY little valid, factual testing or information available out there to help you choose what is a quality setup. I've cut no corners on my build, so I didn't want to buy a $100 ebay cooler, or a $700 name-brand cooler with the same quality/efficiency of a cheaper unit.

Building another custom cooler from a high quality piece sourced from the turbonetics/spearco catalogue again would cost a fortune, so after a good deal of research, I found the Nisei race intercooler for the EVO platform, a PROVEN unit, at least proven enough that I was confident enough to lay down the $1000 for it. Been running it on the miata ever since.
pk386
pk386link
Friday, November 04, 2011 7:52 AM
I TOTALLY AGREE with Tony above.

There are too many parts and tools out there that are the same Chinese stuff at harbor freight.

I'm not against Chinese stuff on a few things. (Grassroots motor sports declared a HF torqe-wrench just as accurate as a snap-on or craftsman I've read on some forums but I can't find the article)

But DON'T buy products from China and tell me it's good or better just because your marketing department slapped their name on it. You can usually figure this out pretty quickly because every other store will have the exact same tool/part with a different logo on it.
pk386
pk386link
Friday, November 04, 2011 7:54 AM
EDIT: I meant to say don't put a 40% price mark up on it just because it has your logo on it.
OMG Its Weasel
OMG Its Weasellink
Friday, November 04, 2011 8:17 AM
I seem to remember a certain magazine attempting to do something like this years ago. :)
I like the addition of no-shit talking bad parts but just giving credit on the good ones. Keep the law-sharks away this time guys!
sr20freak
sr20freaklink
Friday, November 04, 2011 9:55 AM
I agree with Dusty Duster, this website is Certified LEGIT!
And Wes, Sarah, Martin, Jeff, Eric, Khiem, Will and MotoIQ Genuis Mike. Thank you all the MotoIQ crew for haveing my wife have fun with all of you at the SEMA after parties!! (i had to sleep for work) I will hopefully see all of you at the Festival of speed tomorrow at LVMS! Thanks Mike for all the work you put into this!!
circuitsports
circuitsportslink
Friday, November 04, 2011 10:25 AM
I can't wait to see skunk 2 legit parts or articles about how I shouldn't buy new rotas for 400 dollars I could buy old regas for 1200 cause there "legit y0!"

Legit should mean you take your "proven" skunk 2 parts and hand them over to someone for "real" testing not seat of the pants kind.

I bet your readers would never buy another skunk 2 suspension product if you too there springs and handed them over to a company for independant testing against industry standards like eibach.
Der Bruce
Der Brucelink
Friday, November 04, 2011 3:03 PM
Circuitsports - Did you happen to read that issue of Modified Magazine a couple years ago in their Tuner shootout, the one where Skunk2 competed with a Civic Si? In case you missed it, Skunk2's front wheel drive beat out ALL competitors on the skidpad. That was a real world measured test by someone other than Motoiq. I could go dig it up to see if they won using "industry standard" Eibachs, doubt it, but I'll double check.
Wes Dumalski
Wes Dumalskilink
Friday, November 04, 2011 5:13 PM
Circuitsports.

1. sorry it took a bit to reply, MotoIQ is at SEMA looking for good stuff and seeing who is doing things right and be PROACTIVE in the industry.

2. I take personal offense to your post. You are directly attacking my character with your words and I do not take that lightly. Do you think before you post or do you just rant without regard? I don't appreciate it and I EXPECT you will NOT do it again. In fact I expect an apology here or via private message.

3. Why do you have a hard on for Skunk 2 and slamming them and us? Seriously if you think we have an agenda or are biased then simply don't read our stuff.

4. This post prompted me to read your other posts, all of them appear to have a negative vibe. I have a legitimate question that I EXPECT an answer to... What is your profession, do you have involvment in the industry, and can you share your projects, efforts, and works for us to review?

I am frankly pissed by your post but I will reserve myself to the above and do my best to give you the benefit of the doubt and judge you by your reply.


Wes Dumalski
Wes Dumalskilink
Friday, November 04, 2011 5:18 PM
I also would like to ask ANY of our readers or ANYONE that comes to the site if they SHARE circuitsports viewpoints. I mean I am perplexed by how any reasonable human being with an iota of common sense could deduce that we are sellouts willing to talk up shit parts.... If anything we are the anthesis of that!

And thanks for the positive comments guys! We will be adding a Certified Legit area in the forum to discuss requests and gain your input about how to make the designation as credible as possible. We are also well to remember that some of the testing equipment will take time. But with loyal readership we will acquire the right equipment to leave circuitsports with nothing to argue about. Welll Errr I guess we'll wait and see on that last part.

wd

Mike Kojima
Mike Kojimalink
Friday, November 04, 2011 5:34 PM
circuitsports

Personaly by the depth of your negative posts, you don't know as much as you think you do. You might want to consider reading and learning.

If this place offends you, by all means don't read our stuff. By the way what are your credentials in this industry? I bet you don't have any or you work for a competitor. So what is it?
Eric Hsu
Eric Hsulink
Friday, November 04, 2011 10:28 PM
Damn, looks like I'm going to have to do a pirate version of the MotoIQ Certified Legit stamp, delete the "leg" and replace with "bulls" when I go off on shit parts.

As for the real articles where we write about positive things, I think the certified legit will be limited to what machinery, tools, and equipment we have for testing. MotoIQ isn't a pay site and you don't see any Progressive Insurance or streaming Mercedes Benz ads so this means there isn't exactly a huge budget for test equipment. So feel free to request parts to test, but don't be butt hurt if we don't do it straight away.

Also, Wes and Mike can probably confirm this, but just because something is MotoIQ Certified Legit, it doesn't mean we all put on our lab coats and went to town testing parts on lab grade test equipment. A big part of this will be opinion that is backed up by knowlege
Eric Hsu
Eric Hsulink
Friday, November 04, 2011 10:33 PM
Sorry, typing on an iPad is certified lame...

....of a manufacturer's design, test, and development procedures that play a big role in making a part legit.

Anyhow, a round of applause for Wes because he is the driving force behind the Certified Legit idea.

Der Bruce
Der Brucelink
Saturday, November 05, 2011 7:08 AM
Wes - I may have earned the nickname 'Bulldog' in grad school but you were a certified Pitbull foaming at the mouth on that first response! Listen, I've said it before but a lot of people, moreso ones on the internet, think they're entitled to anything and think everywhere is Burger King. Hence, they want it "their way". (Sidebar, Circuitsports if you read this you wanted to say "they're 'legit'" and "their springs". Misuse of the word 'there'). Wes, I totally appreciate you spearheading all of our requests to identify certified legit parts.

Oh and I followed up on my Skunk2 claim. Not only did they win with their Pro C coilovers, they now offer a never before seen, by me at least, offer to test before you fully commit to buy. I guess you can put a deposit down try them out and if you don't like 'em, return 'em.
Big J
Big Jlink
Saturday, November 05, 2011 9:28 AM
I'm all for it if it'll raise awareness
jere
jerelink
Sunday, November 06, 2011 2:15 AM
Yes!

I would so love to see a back to back ebay tin can comparo Vs the real thing for a first test!
Turbo Shangbanger
Turbo Shangbangerlink
Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:19 AM
I think that some origins of 'QUALITY' parts would stun you all. The land of manufacture is not so much the question as the quality control and the materials.

China can make parts for anyone. However, the real issues arise when the IP rights are not protected or common industry courtesy observed(this being because the offending companies aren't actually interested in motorsports at all...just money).

Again... I won't out people online, but there are big brand IC's, Oil coolers, diffs, cams, pistons, cranks, exhausts, filters,etc,etc made in CHINA. Are these absolute top of motorsports? no... but will they serve for Joe Blow? Yes.

Having made performance parts in China for years, I understand the difficulties at hand, but this is a big place and you can't flippantly dismiss all product because of land of origin.
willscarcast
willscarcastlink
Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:39 AM
certified legit... we might find ourselves going deeper in the land of exposing knock offs and showing side by side comparisons. show you what you may get when purchasing products that have "-style" attached to it. im excited for this and hope you pass the word and share it via the social media buttons at the top.
ChaffeyRacer88
ChaffeyRacer88link
Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:35 PM
"certified legit" is defiantly a good thing. But we honestly need to start calling out the bulls**t
Jim
Jimlink
Monday, November 07, 2011 1:25 AM
I think the first thing a consumer can do to tell if a company is "Legit" is to just look at a company's "Contact Us" on their website.

1) If the only way to contact the company is through the e-mail page on their website or an e-mail address then don't buy from them.

2) If a company only has a P.O. Box address as their company's office address, even though they might have telephone numbers, then don't buy from them.

3) If the company does have an office address then I check it on google maps or earth to see exactly where it is. If the address I type into google takes me to the middle of a bunch of farmland or in the middle of a street with no buildings around or to the middle of nowhere then don't buy from them.


If they don't have these things listed below then to me it means either they are half ass or their company is set up so they can be ready to pick up and run:

1) Company e-mail address with company's name as the designation and not yahoo, gmail, etc.

2) Company telephone numbers that match their office address location, which I can reach a real person and not an answering machine during office hours.

3) An office address that looks like a viable location for an office when I use street view on google maps.

If a company doesn't have these things then good luck "Contacting Them" trying to get your money back if a problem arises because it is so easy to get another e-mail address or telephone number or P.O. Box. And do you really want to be buying from a manufacturing company that can't even afford or care to rent out an office space and have staff?

This goes for anything I buy and not just auto parts. Only very "VERY" well established companies get a pass like Cosworth, HKS, Volk, Brembo, etc.
Jim
Jimlink
Monday, November 07, 2011 1:56 AM
Eric and ChaffeyRacer88, I agree that someone has to call out the bullshit somehow.

Turbo Shangbanger, I don't quite get your comment. You say China makes a lot of "Quality" parts but then go on to say that they are only good enough to serve "Joe Blow." To me Joe Blow quality is something that I wouldn't want to buy. That quality level sounds extremely far from the top of motorsports.

You should drop some names so I can go verify them. Hell, everyone knows that Apple is made in China now so what's the big deal. And being a long time Mac user, the quality of there products are not as good as they use to be when they weren't made in China. You're right when you say that you can't dismiss everything out of China. They have a lot of great herbal medicine as long as you get the real thing. But you can compare China made products to others made in other countries and judge China based on their past record.
circuitsports
circuitsportslink
Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:16 PM
So legit turns out to mean "it's what we say it is" coil overs are one small part or a race car. And that a car can win with any 1 x part is not relevant. It's still the whole car, still the team still the driver and still some luck.

Your response to my claim didn't address the issue and goes back to the ideology that it's what you say it is.

Yes I was attacking your faith based claims with fact seeking ones of my own, tuner parts arent religion there are physical objects that can be tested by non financially backed 3 party testing methods.

But that isnt what has happened so far. The article on the EJ civic suspension upgrade shows no empirical evidence for quality just a rehash of PR releases in new form.

And since you have spoken with KW you should be aware what makes there suspension better is they start with a solid foundation. High quality steel and superior forming for there springs. Unlike Taiwan manufacturing that typically uses inferior methods and recycled Chinese procured steel. The same companies that produce Buddy Club, Tein and Skunk 2 - all companies that run astronomically high spring rates to mask how poorly the spring s perform and retain rates over time.

Real professional teams already know these kinds of things which is why professional level suspension systems all start with German made high quality springs from eibach, hyperco.

I would expect that a website following this industry to at least understand the difference.

I can't wait for your homies to call me an agent of a competing company or to that I don't know what I am talking about. I bet I know more personal history of this industry that half your staffers combined.
circuitsports
circuitsportslink
Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:27 PM
Also I don't think most people understand Chinese and Taiwanese manufacturing capability. They do have some of the most advance equipment however they are typically used to cut costs. This is why you end up with thinwall JDM exhausts that fatigue and break not because they can make a better exhaust.

In the case of Apple with Foxcon they arent buying a product like tuning companies do they are buying a workforce.

Apple has already designed all of the parts, farmed out all of the manufacture and are taking advantage of low wages. They have a level of quality they demand not a level of quality they are provided with.

This is the main difference between Hondas produced in China and matchbox toys produced in China.

Also this capability is not total across all industries. I do not believe that China posses the technology to make bulletproof vests even though they can make the basic materials for it.
Mike Kojima
Mike Kojimalink
Tuesday, November 08, 2011 4:02 PM
Circuitsports, your rants just prove that you know less than you think you do.

Did you know that some internal components of KW's are manufactured in Asia? A lot of quality stuff is manufactured there. A lot of really crappy fake stuff is too. We plan to root out the good stuff and expose crappy stuff.

What it comes down to is that we know how to build fast cars around here and have a lot of collective experience testing stuff and you don't even though you think you might. You continually jab around the edges with your so called knowledge. Your bits of wisdom debunking us are full of falsehoods and are based on personal opinion rather than knowledge or data.

You keep picking apart our Civic build but if you had actually read things you would have seen that the whole first segment was devoted toward collecting track data which we will revisit at the end of our evaluation to see how effective our mods were.

Whatever, why bother you know it all. Please, if you think our reporting and writing are shitty and lies, that are an affront to your sense of self worth please don't come here anymore. See you at the track, I am busy winning. So are a lot of us editors. Have fun at your keyboard.
Wes Dumalski
Wes Dumalskilink
Tuesday, November 08, 2011 6:58 PM
circuitsports
I am completely confused by your posts..... I question if you have READ ANYTHING other than things you want to criticize? You have seen the extensive coverage we have provided KW right? You have seen the quality of our parts on our builds right? You obviously care enough to come here and rant.... Do you appreciate ANYTHING that you have seen or read here? Is anything up to your stringent standards? If so how about something positive once in awhile?

I also wonder if you have any idea as to the people who contribute to and are behind this site, it's coverage, and it's projects?

You hide behind a keyboard and screen name when all of us at MotoIQ put ourselves and experiences out there. How about you share something real with us about your experiences in REAL racing, project car building, and within the industry... Otherwise your only making yourself look like an ass by ranting.

I'm with Mike, we will continue to write what we want, gain credibility and trust with our industry by separating the bull from the bullshit. What will you be doing?
Der Bruce
Der Brucelink
Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:17 PM
Wes - You beat me too it :p

Ditto what Mike said and beautiful use of the word 'affront' Mike! Still impressed with that one!

Circuitsports - Really...you used the words "Yes I was attacking your faith based claims with fact seeking ones of my own" and then fail to sift through the facts of some of your own claims/statments.

Yes, Eibach is involved with MANY different motorsports, many winning teams and is manufactured in Germany AND the USA. BUT isn't it wierd that for all that quality, their KW V3 equivalent (which is a few hundred dollars more, if I'm comparing the correct shocks) still ONLY comes with a one year warranty. In FACT, I didn't find any Eibach systems that came with more than a one year warranty. Isn't that the same warranty "Buddy Club, Tein and Skunk 2" come with?

Now, I've given you a real world example (in my last post) of Skunk2 proving itself in the real world, discovered that Eibach coilovers have the same warranty as "The same companies that produce Buddy Club, Tein and Skunk 2" and still haven't found one verifyable FACT (after re-reading your posts) why you have such a hard on against Skunk2? As I've shown with the warranty case, Eibach has no more confidence in its German/USA made spring than Skunk2's Asain made spring.

Anyway, Wes is just trying to spearhead what a LOT of us Motoiq followers have been asking for, listings for quality parts! If you HAVE an ACTUAL issue, bring it up with facts. The last Project EJ Skunk2 camber kit feature had a couple people bringing up concerns laced with fact. Enough so that I think (?) Mike posted that he'd called Skunk2 directly to address their concerns.

Rant done!
Sootfoot
Sootfootlink
Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:21 PM
Man I really enjoy my buddies here but I think you are giving this guy exactly what he wants. Call it trolling or flame baiting it's lame. You can deal with it in 2 ways.

1. Ignore it
2. Carefully dismantle it.

I was simply going to delete the posts because they offer no information and quite frankly they are boring. I get half way though and think I'd rather be flossing my teeth. If it was at least entertaining it would be worth keeping. I mean there's some truth clouded in a whirlwind of BS.

Let's at least be smart about the argument. Half of the staffers here are engineers IN the industry. They are part of and are making the history you state you know more about.
Wes Dumalski
Wes Dumalskilink
Wednesday, November 09, 2011 9:16 AM
I agree Aaron. I just want him to answer ONE question. Next time he skirts I will ignore for sure.... That sound like a good idea in fact, how can we add an ignore feature so we don;t have to delete his rants but people can block viewing them as they offer nothing of substance.

wd
Der Bruce
Der Brucelink
Wednesday, November 09, 2011 2:32 PM
Guys, censoring for negativity would eliminate most if not all of the country's News outlets :) After reading his comments on Shea's driver spotlight, Circuitsports just seems by nature "A Debby Downer". We just need affectionate nicknames like that!
Jim
Jimlink
Thursday, November 10, 2011 3:02 AM
circuitsports, I live in the Silicon Valley of Taiwan 9 months out of the year. You can't compare Taiwan manufacturing to China's. I've met many big foreign buyers from all over the world in many bars and they keep on telling me that China is not up to par with Taiwan when it comes to technology manufacturing. I'm not in the same business as they are so after several several drinks they tell me things they might not usually say because they're just glad to talk to someone in English. And a lot of them don't like Korea because they say Koreans males are Super Duper Chauvinist Macho Assholes and they don't like dealing with that. Don't get, "put together in China" confused with high tech parts "made in China."
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