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World Time Attack Challenge 2011: Results

by Jeff Naeyaert

The 2011 World Time Attack Challenge wrapped up this afternoon with a fizzle rather than the fireworks we were hoping for from Team America.  If you've been following our updates on Facebook you know USA's Sierra Sierra took a big lead earlier in the day with a 1:29.0240 lap at the expense of a head gasket.  You also know a protest by the Cyber EVO crew alleging the only way a car as heavy as the Sierra Sierra EVO could turn a time that fast was if they were squeezing NOS added a little drama to the day.  Head game or not, Tarzan responded with a blistering 1:28.8510 lap in the Cyber EVO--rumor has it at the cost of a turbocharger they had no replacement for. 



 

 

Sierra Sierra got the car fixed and put back together just in time for the final session of the afternoon adding a little more power to try and regain the lead.  Empringham took to the track, did a warmup lap, came back around start/finish hot where I was shooting at the time followed closely by the GT Auto Garage R35 GTR. 

 

 

Meanwhile, the Cyber EVO circled the track in wait, hoping their bluff wouldn't be called.  When the GT Auto Garage GTR came around the last turn and made its way down the front straight  BEFORE any sight of Empringham I got that sinking feeling that Sierra Sierra's day was done… 

 

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Bettonracing
Bettonracinglink
Saturday, August 06, 2011 8:07 AM
Damn.

In a way the protest is a compliment to SSE (esp to Eric!), but I don't think the guys would disagree that's a compliment they could keep.

Regardless, good job SSE! At least they had to work hard (and play dirty) to get that win!
JDMized
JDMizedlink
Saturday, August 06, 2011 8:13 AM
I've been following the whole event/ drama like a hawk and I'd like to hear what Eric and the Cyber EVO Team has to say in regard.
SSE Team invited the Cyber EVO team to check out Christine. If I recall it, they didn't show up.

Then Tarzan almost blew the Tomei turbo (it was on its last leg, as people rumored).

Then there's the tires issue with the Cyber EVO. Supposely those tires are not available in Japan? Anyone can confirm that.
http://ameblo.jp/unlimitedworks/entry-10977043558.html
tyndago
tyndagolink
Saturday, August 06, 2011 8:58 AM
Its no fun if there is no drama.
Clint Boisdeau
Clint Boisdeaulink
Saturday, August 06, 2011 9:45 AM
So Cyber claims SSE is on nitrous, then SSE invites them to check out the car and they dont show up. Then Cyber is on questionable tires....crock
HAR
HARlink
Saturday, August 06, 2011 9:48 AM
Great coverage Martin and Jeff! Have a safe trip home:)
Henry
Henrylink
Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:46 PM
Cyber Evo took a page out of HKS' book with the unattainable tire compounds
Greg
Greglink
Saturday, August 06, 2011 4:07 PM
Great reporting and photos guys. It was great to meet you in person and I hope you've enjoyed yourselves! I'm looking forward to seeing the pictures from the commentary box:)
econobox
econoboxlink
Saturday, August 06, 2011 9:39 PM
I really want to hear Eric H's view on this one. He can provide a detailed answer for sure.

Mark F
Mark Flink
Sunday, August 07, 2011 5:44 AM
So what tire or compound were they running?

Any of the ones listed in http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_articles/articletype/articleview/articleid/2064/world-time-attack-challenge-2011-day-2-friday-competition.aspx
post?
will
willlink
Sunday, August 07, 2011 7:27 AM
Looks like a 295/30/18 Yokohama Advan A050R... but from that website above, an "日本未発表、WTAC専用タイヤ Unpublished Japan WTAC Tire UpUp (今のところ) (So ​​far)" ....
will
willlink
Sunday, August 07, 2011 8:40 AM
Secret sauce tires... ???

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6015/6018068598_390cc08cae_b.jpg
Wes Dumalski
Wes Dumalskilink
Sunday, August 07, 2011 9:01 AM
Right compound but perhaps a size that is not available to the public or is only avail. in another country?

After reading this the ending makes sense and it was a well played chess match. Despite the protest (which is what it is) it sounds like it came down tot eh wire and the cyber evo was in a similar position as SSE and whoever could be reliable and lay down the last lap would take it... I guess it so happens that the Cyber Evo had it this year...

Christine is still my favorite car!
Der Bruce
Der Brucelink
Sunday, August 07, 2011 3:40 PM
Nice to hear from the man behind the lens Jeff :)

I'm just bummed SSE wasn't able to lay down another lap time burning the wick :( I just hope this motivates SSE to go back after it again next year. Me personally, I'd be pretty pissed if another team accused me of cheating and that same team edged me out because of mechanical failure. Oh, I'd be looking for payback!
mxpop
mxpoplink
Sunday, August 07, 2011 8:05 PM
Bottom line:

Did tech inspectors look at and clear SSE of using NOS?

Did tech inspectors look at and clear Cyber Evo of using illegal tires?

Were these formal/properly filed protests or just pit lane BS?
mxpop
mxpoplink
Sunday, August 07, 2011 8:16 PM
Curious about what tires SSE ran? Did they get any stateside testing? Are these tires even available in the states?

Assuming testing (or educated extrapolation) was done, how much slower are these tires than the C91's normally used?

Did anybody have special sauce tires?
will
willlink
Monday, August 08, 2011 4:40 AM
SSE runs a 295/30/18 Hankook Z221 treaded tire.. special sauce, no clue?

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/2011%20Matt%20Malcolm/Time%20Attack/Fernandez/Fernandez/6.jpg
CTO
CTOlink
Monday, August 08, 2011 5:39 AM
i touches both tires.......i think the 050 is more soft....SSE has a GT3 spec rollcage makes it a lot heavily ....and personally i think Tarzan i super fast driver......lost by 0.15 is fair enough........
i Love the SSE!
Full-Race Geoff
Full-Race Geofflink
Monday, August 08, 2011 5:54 AM
great article + photos!! job well done to all teams involved
Tony
Tonylink
Monday, August 08, 2011 9:27 AM
Great coverage, sad to hear about the shenanigans flying in the pits, LOL @ NOS, too many american-movie/FATF re-runs on TV down-under, no?

1984
1984link
Friday, August 12, 2011 4:04 AM
What happened to the posts that criticized Motoiq about the coverage of WTAC. Is Motoiq censoring? Does Motoiq adopt the same theory of if you are not as knowledgeable as we are then you have no right to criticize us, which is complete bullshit. You want and put yourself in the public light so don't be surprised when the public starts responding. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Der Bruce
Der Brucelink
Friday, August 12, 2011 5:04 AM
1984 - Do you feel better about yourself now? Do you feel like you've defended Ben's 1st amendment rights with this rather negative, accusatory post? OK
NOW go over to the 'Final Results' article by Martin where those comments were originally posted, see if his comments are still there and let everyone know if you still feel the same :p
Der Bruce
Der Brucelink
Friday, August 12, 2011 5:11 AM
Allright, it's actually 'Final Report' and yep, Ben's comments are still there.
1984
1984link
Friday, August 12, 2011 5:54 AM
Der Bruce, you are 100% right. I got it wrong. I was wrong and I apologize to think that you guys would think about deleting posts. I'm sorry. But I think it's still fair to be criticized when you are in the public arena. I admit I'm wrong. Sorry.
Der Bruce
Der Brucelink
Friday, August 12, 2011 6:38 AM
1984 - Criticizing is totally fair when founded. Like how I added that qualifier at the end :) I think the only time Motoiq has ever deleted anything, and Steve hinted at this once or twice, was something inaproppriate (ie. too much language). I personally think a little controversy can be very promotional, increase traffic to an article/discussion, etc. I may not work for Motoiq but I represent whenever I can! I think your apology was totally cool and always look forward to the what fellow enthusiats have to say, most of the time. I'm big on qualifiers today :)
1984
1984link
Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:44 AM
Der Bruce. I was looking for the comment in the wrong post and got confused when I didn't see it. Sorry man. I've come to realize that there are a lot of big EGOS in the tuning industry. Probably because people are so competitive. I am not an expert in the tuning industry but then does that mean that whatever I say or criticize is invalid? Even all the pros in the industry criticize and argue with each other so there is no consensus there either. It would be like if CNN said, well, if you don't have a news organization like ours then you just don't know and have no right to criticize the way we deliver the news. Does that make sense?
Wes Dumalski
Wes Dumalskilink
Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:54 AM
^ It means that in THIS particular case your criticism and accusations were completely invalid. I didn't see a blanket statement that said anything other than "when it is called for". In this case you apologized, admitted you were wrong, and that should be enough for anyone.
Der Bruce
Der Brucelink
Saturday, August 13, 2011 10:30 AM
I'm just bummed that not one of us has mentioned the hilarious cover picture for the article! I laugh everytime I see that 'We won/get 2nd' sign that Eric's pasted on head is holding!
1984
1984link
Sunday, August 14, 2011 8:24 AM
Der Bruce, "Criticizing is totally fair when founded." Who decides what is founded?
Yes, the pic of Eric looks like "Dewey defeats Truman." But you know how that goes.

Wes Dumalski, my initial point was to defend BenFenner's criticism of Motoiq. Yes I was wrong and I apologized. Can anyone say they've never made a mistake. I just didn't like the fact that Mike while also representing "the guys" jumped on him for his criticism.

Mike said, "Third this is not TMZ, we won't print racer grousing as fact like people post on facebook. Things have to be substantiated and a lot of people won't go on record with their comments."

But if you read BenFenner's statement, he didn't care about the drama, "As it stands, I still know very little of who ran, what times they got, and what went on really at all. I honestly don't care much about the accusations and the drama." He just wanted to know the hard facts of what was going on.

Mike also says, "I suggest if you want to feel like you personaly are there to book your ticket next year and fly out. Then you can write about it yourself. Hell I will even pay you if it is good enough."

Basically sarcastically saying that if you can do a better job and want to feel like you're there than buy a ticket and do it yourself. So what does that say about Motoiq. One thing is that their coverage cannot make you feel like you are there at the event for BenFenner and me because I also felt that the articles that he mentioned were thin in coverage and that's why I'm defending him. Our course we don't expect reading Motoiq will transport us there. All I'm saying is that I agree with FenBenner that the coverage was thin. And if you criticize about Motoiq's coverage then go try and do a better job yourself? What does that say about Motoiq's attitude?

Like I said before. Imagine if CNN made the same statements to their viewers. We do our best so you can't criticize us for the job we do or go do it yourself. Does that make sense? No!

I have no doubt that Motoiq works hard but it can't use that as a reason for never being criticized for their work.

Der Bruce
Der Brucelink
Sunday, August 14, 2011 11:03 AM
1984 - Who decides what is founded? Well, in most cases the truth, or in a court of law what you can prove. In this case, where you were criticizing Motoiq for taking down a critical post, with what I called a "rather negative, accusatory post", you were wrong because the post was in fact not taken down. You apologized and two of us thought it was mature and enough said.

With this last post, now I feel like you're saying that you're sorry BUT while we're on the subject, there are some things you still want to go ahead and criticize anyway. Since you finished this post with plenty of negativite, accusatory comments, I feel that a little positive light is needed again, at the very least realistic light.

#1 - "Mike said, "Third this is not TMZ, we won't print racer grousing as fact like people post on facebook. Things have to be substantiated and a lot of people won't go on record with their comments." But if you read BenFenner's statement, he didn't care about the drama, "As it stands, I still know very little of who ran, what times they got, and what went on really at all. I honestly don't care much about the accusations and the drama." He just wanted to know the hard facts of what was going on."

Ah, but you forgot to include Ben's very next statement, "If you're not going to report on that juicy gossip and leave it on the editing room floor...". And that would be where Mike's TMZ statement was derived from. Now, I may not be a lawyer, although I know or still play basketball with a good percentage of them in my town, but I don't have to ask one what hearsay is and that's exactly what Martin would have been printing without someone on record.That's why they were waiting for Eric's 1st hand account. I think a lot of people missed Martin's comments at the end for people to go to WTAC's official site for final results/times.

#2 - "Mike also says, "I suggest if you want to feel like you personaly are there to book your ticket next year and fly out. Then you can write about it yourself. Hell I will even pay you if it is good enough." Basically sarcastically saying that if you can do a better job and want to feel like you're there than buy a ticket and do it yourself. So what does that say about Motoiq."

It says that non-sarcastically Mike suggests Ben flies down there on his own dime, cover the event and if it's good enough, he'll get some form of reimbursment. I feel like this point needs the most perspective. 1st, Mike had just stated the DAY BEFORE that on occasion he gets these rather rude, critical e-mails on Motoiq content, how it's run, etc. from people who forget that they're reading print media quality work at free internet prices. Mike is damn proud that he works hard with advertisers and sponsors to provide as such. So I KNEW that Ben's comments would set him off whether he said something or not. And yeah, you could tell he was upset. We all have to remember that many things (both sides in this case) are received different than intended in print. 2nd, Motoiq was trying something knew by offering a SH approach of getting information to it's followers ASAP. You see, when Justin does a Formula Drift recap, he's had a couple of days to compose everything and does an excellent job of walking you through it. Sure I cheat on occasion and go to SH for the instant gratification of knowing the winner but Justin does a great job of drawing you in. Getting all the race info out ASAP with two guys (one who's primary job is to take the photos full time) is going to have it's limits and have a different feel than them having 3 or 4 days to put something together.

Listen, I've responded way too much (at least that's what I'm being told over my shoulder). And you're right Motoiq works hard!
1984
1984link
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 6:02 PM
Der Bruce. That's the thing about criticism. Everyone has their own different truths. It's not like the getting caught on video for stealing kind of truth. Criticism is subjective.

I can see your point about where Mike responded. To me Ben's later statement seemed such a mute point, because you guys didn't write about any juicy gossip, that I thought Mike was responding to the previous one.

I guess I read the non-sarcastic response wrong. The tone just seemed that way to me because Mike's response to Ben's post was. "Ben your comments really piss me and the guys off." I didn't know he could come down from being really pissed off within the next several sentences.

I pay for an internet connection like a cable bill. Yes, Motoiq is free with adds and so is CNN when I turn on the TV. No body likes to be criticized when they work really hard. But then does that mean whoever works hard is beyond criticism? I think it's fair to say that that is the price you pay for being in the public media.
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